I've seen concepts of externally heated launch vehicles (see http://escapedynamics.com/) claiming 10% payload fraction. I'm trying to figure out how such a design would work and what the tradeoffs are.
Basically, your launch vehicle only holds reaction mass (preferrably LH2) that is heated using an outside energy source, such as microwave antennas or lasers. These sources point at heat exchangers on the launch vehicle which heat up the LH2 such that it exits the vehicle at high velocity.
Benefits are:- simpler tank structure (only LH2 necessary, no LOX)- higher Isp (700-900 range)The questions I have are:- How efficient is the energy transfer (microwave or laser -> heat -> kinetic energy), i.e. how many mega/gigawatts of power will you need to beam?- how heavy is the heat exchanger?- How precise can you make the sources point toward the launch vehicle, even when the latter is at high velocity- Design: traditional VTOL rocket or HTOL spaceplane a la skylon?- Could you add a heat storage unit, such as a molten salt container, that acts as a heat source when lasers are ineffective?
Some corrections:Laser assist Skylon may potentially boost payload significantly as it reduces propellant (particularly LOx) requirements during the final rocket phase to orbit.The argument has flawed logic. The prototype has to be able work before one can talk about a larger vehicle.
Jim, are you objecting to discussing a larger practical payload beamed SSTO vehicle before someone demos a bricklifter, or the shift from a conventional Skylon to a laser assist Skylon (which potentially reduces vehicle size)?
Kare's laser SSTO rough rule of thumb is 1MW of laser for every 1Kg to LEO.
Quote from: Asteroza on 01/15/2014 07:19 amJim, are you objecting to discussing a larger practical payload beamed SSTO vehicle before someone demos a bricklifter, or the shift from a conventional Skylon to a laser assist Skylon (which potentially reduces vehicle size)?Both. the viability of a beamed vehicle making it to orbit is questionable.
And if the beamed vehicle makes it into orbit the political fallout could be massive due to ABM/ASAT potential.
Yeah, I really don't see the practicality of laser launch to orbit systems. Even if you get over all the issues that have been brought up, (the need for launch assist to place the rocket at high enough altitude to train the lasers on, guidance and weather issues that have to be overcome to maintain a proper lock on the heat exchangers for instance) you still have to look at the fact that lasers are not terribly efficient. 1MW of laser for each kilogram for a sizable payload works out to a lot of electrical energy, obviously you only have to run your lasers for a 4 to 8 minutes but still that's a lot of energy and a lot of cooling you will have to provide the lasers. A double pulse laser thermal system with a ground based microwave launch array and rockets powered by solid propellant vaporized by an onboard laser might work efficiently enough for small payloads though.
Quote from: AsterozaKare's laser SSTO rough rule of thumb is 1MW of laser for every 1Kg to LEO.
Even if 15%(?) efficient overall, that's still roughly 1 MW-hr or about $100.00 of power which is under $50.00/lb.
the viability of a beamed vehicle making it to orbit is questionable.
The ABL (Airborne Laser) was a 1MW-class laser that had to traverse "hundreds of kilometers" of the Earth's atmosphere to destroy ICBMs during boost-phase from an aircraft loitering at 40K ft. The actual range that MDA demonstrated during ABL's tests remains classified, but if they got in that ballpark, the precedent exists to deliver MW-class power on a laser from ground to orbit.
It's also worth mentioning that the job of incoherently combining multiple beams on a heat exchanger to vaporize LH2 is actually much easier than the ABL's job of coherently focusing one large beam on a solid rocket casing long enough to punch through the metal.
No, only from 40k ft.
It didn't need to punch through, just weaken.
Regardless, incoherently combining beams to heat up a metal plate is much easier that creating a beam coherent enough to damage a metal wall.