Quote from: ZachF on 01/15/2019 03:43 amRussia is only ~half of the former USSR.Also looking at that chart, chained GDP is useless for countries who fake data like the soviets did. There is a 0% chance the Russian economy grew by ~40% from 1980-1989.... It would have been giving the Japanese at the height of their bubble a run for their money. And Russia, don't have half of the problems, that have the old USSR...for example with all the materials, cars, food, etc, they sent to Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Cuba, for they be happy with the socialism... etc...and other poor countries they must to support too like Kyrgyzstan , albania, etc, in that time ...And if you say the graphic, is wrong, in the 80 for the USSR (and they build the Energia-Buran), more impress it's the momentum of the GDP of Russia today, of course they can build a HLVs...By they way the Russia economic is growth, right now, and in the next 6 years, can growth a lot more, with the energy price recovery and other industry like the cars and military industry...Off course, Russia maybe never will have the power of the USSR...but still is a big country with rich minerals, oil, gas, a potent industry, that can recover a lot from the communism era in the next decades...
Russia is only ~half of the former USSR.Also looking at that chart, chained GDP is useless for countries who fake data like the soviets did. There is a 0% chance the Russian economy grew by ~40% from 1980-1989.... It would have been giving the Japanese at the height of their bubble a run for their money.
Just a small remark from the former Czechoslovakia - Russia (or former Soviet Union)
Quote from: Skrat on 05/11/2019 08:52 pmJust a small remark from the former Czechoslovakia - Russia (or former Soviet Union)This "or" is a common mistake made when the question of who benefited from whom is considered. The debts (if any) were made by the Soviet Union as a whole. Modern Russia is what was the RSFSR, the republic that was an object of the Soviet politics. The huge areas of land of enormous proportions went here and there on the scratch of a pen, the space industry was dispersed all over the republics, something that could not have happened today. If not for the USSR, you would have never heard of the country of Kazakhstan which owned 2 Energia HLVs after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and to which Russia paid for Baikonur cosmodrom. So it is a much more complicated matter than "Russia exploited us".
Does anyone know what Russia spends on their space program vs their GDP? That would tell a difference.
From the outside looking in, it seems they spend a far bigger percentage on the military vs their GDP.
Spend it on heavy lifters. Reusable if possible.
Quote from: nsn on 05/12/2019 11:51 amQuote from: Skrat on 05/11/2019 08:52 pmJust a small remark from the former Czechoslovakia - Russia (or former Soviet Union)This "or" is a common mistake made when the question of who benefited from whom is considered. The debts (if any) were made by the Soviet Union as a whole. Modern Russia is what was the RSFSR, the republic that was an object of the Soviet politics. The huge areas of land of enormous proportions went here and there on the scratch of a pen, the space industry was dispersed all over the republics, something that could not have happened today. If not for the USSR, you would have never heard of the country of Kazakhstan which owned 2 Energia HLVs after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and to which Russia paid for Baikonur cosmodrom. So it is a much more complicated matter than "Russia exploited us".I really don't understand what's your point. The guy i replied to was suggesting that Russia today has less problems than Soviet union, because it doesn't have to feed their satellites. I just pointed out that at least in case of Czechoslovakia, we were feeding Soviets and not vice versa. I understand that people form Russia don't like to hear that but that's the fact. I used the relation between Russia and former Soviet union because even your people are often making this simplification, and correct me if I'm wrong, Russia is officially a successor state of the former USSR. Moreover, RSFSR was always the major driving force in USSR.In light of what has made USSR to Czechoslovakia, I really don't care about the Baikonur. If it was meant that we should be happy for what Soviets have done to us, because we have supported Soviet cosmic program, than you must be crazy. Russia exploited us. That is the fact, it is not complicated, it is very simple. And when our people tried to change the course of events just a little bit, Soviets immediately started occupation. It lasted long 23 years from 1968 till 1991.
Does anyone know what Russia spends on their space program vs their GDP? That would tell a difference. From the outside looking in, it seems they spend a far bigger percentage on the military vs their GDP. We as Americans spend far more on the military and social programs than the space program. I wish all would cut back on the military and spend more on space colonization, and don't give and sell weapons to third world countries. Spend it on heavy lifters. Reusable if possible.
With 26 nozzles at say 2 MN each, that gives a liftoff thrust of 52 MN! If this can put say 20 t into low Lunar orbit (LLO), then a standard dual launch Lunar orbit rendezvous (LOR) mission could be achieved. First launch delivers a hyperbolic lander into LLO. Second launch delivers Federatsiya into LLO, which rendezvous with the lander. Standard Apollo mission architecture then follows. NASA could do the same with SLS Block IB, but they are stuck with their complicated Gateway plan.If they use Soyuz, staged Lunar descent with a lightweight lander and propellant transfer between the kerolox cores, they could probably do a Lunar mission in a single launch. 1. Pass propellant from four outer cores to all the engines and then eject the four empty cores. 2. Pass propellant from the two remaining outer cores to all the engines and then eject the two empty cores.3. Full centre core then completes its burn.
https://www.roscosmos.ru/media/pdf/russianspace/rk2020-09-single.pdfFrom the latest issue of "Russkiy kosmos": drawing of a mobile launch platform for Russia's new heavy lift launch vehicle at Vostochnyy. This is a radical departure from the horizontal transportation method used by the Russians so far, even for their earlier heavy lift launch vehicles (N-1 and Energiya). Would require the construction of a VAB type assembly building.
Quote from: B. Hendrickx on 12/15/2020 10:11 pmhttps://www.roscosmos.ru/media/pdf/russianspace/rk2020-09-single.pdfFrom the latest issue of "Russkiy kosmos": drawing of a mobile launch platform for Russia's new heavy lift launch vehicle at Vostochnyy. This is a radical departure from the horizontal transportation method used by the Russians so far, even for their earlier heavy lift launch vehicles (N-1 and Energiya). Would require the construction of a VAB type assembly building.What's with the upper fairing enclosure swung to the side though? It looks like it would be for a manned capsule, but when would that happen, aside from some large single launch lunar architecture with a enormous upper stage...
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