Clever idea. It might just work. The formation flying would be challenging, but no worse than tanking a fighter aircraft at night in the weather.
While obviously, the big market is Earth to orbit, this approach would work well for travel in the Solar System in cases where you'd have days or longer to make fuel transfers.
hi Jon,Nice article, interesting thinking. Would you recommend that the two vehicles utilize some anti-collision formation flying AI software, esp given the high accelerations these vehicles are undergoing on the way up, or do you think human pilots could manage this sort of flying/maneuvering under boost?
A Speculative IdeaBeyond their baseline mode of operation, certain speculative operabonal modes exist that could signiticantly enhance the capability of APT vehicles in the future.Consider the case where we have two Black Horse type vehicles, each using JP-5/H2O2 with an Isp of 335 s. The vehicles have a dry weight of 15,000 lb and a propellant load of 180,000 lb, which assuming a required Delta-v to orbit of 27 kft/s, allows them to deliver 1,000 lb to LEO. Now, let's say that we fly the two of them off together, accelerating them jointly not to orbit, but rather to a suborbital trajectory with a velocity of 18.5 kft/ s. The two space planes are now outside the atmosphere, in free fall (i.e. zero gravity) in the immediate vicinity of each other. Let's say we now bring the two together and extend a refueling boom, allowing the 20,000 lb of residual propellant from one to be transferred to the other. The two then separate, the empty vehicle to return to Earth, the enriched vehicle to ascend to orbit with a payload of 12,000 lbs. Without any new hardware, the orbital delivery capability of the system can be increased by a factor of 12.Such a non-material enhancement by teamwork would allow even an APT spaceplane that was designed for suborbital flight to achieve orbit. Or put another way, let's say that it turned out after the construction was done that the actual Black Horse dry weight came in not at 15,000 lb, but at 24,000 lb, a 60% mass growth over the estimate. The vehicle would now only be capable of suborbital flight to 23 kft/s. However, if two such vehicles were flown, performed a suborbital propellant transfer at 15.5 kft/s, the enriched vehicle would be able to make orbit with a 1000 lb payload. Since the propellants being transferred are non cryogenic, such a suborbital zero-g propellant transfer could be done using bladders. If the APT in question used LOX for its oxidizer, the transfer would require a weak gravity field, which could be created by both vehicles firing their RCS systems continually during the transfer.The plan certainly sounds incredible, and to be frank, we don't expect such maneuvers to be done anytime soon, but it's not impossible. On a suborbital trajectory with a velocity of 16 kft/s and a 120 nautical mile apogee, the vehicles in question will be out of Earth's atmosphere for about six minutes. The actual propellant transfer can be done in less than two minutes. With sufficient training, good pilots could eventually do the job.
Clever idea. It might just work. The formation flying would be challenging...
The two space planes take-off from a very ordinary airport on turbofan power. They meet the tanker and takes H2O2 oxidizer - lots of it, hence the need for a 747. Together, side by side they climb into suborbital flight. Once out of the atmosphere and on a parabolic arc, the first machine sprouts a refueling boom and refuel its twin. The twin reach orbit.
Well you wouldn't have to attach two launchers to each other, like in usual TSTO proposals, making it easier to design them as planes.However refueling at mach 10, full thrust, with little time to approach each other, sounds pretty crazy.
Sound pretty much like parallel staging with cross fueling to me (what SpaceX is doing for the FH), but with two parallel stages that launch separately. I am not sure that this would really bring that big of an advantage. There was a concept in the late 90ies that did in flight refueling. Not sure anymore which one it was, might have been the Pioneer rocket plane. I always thought the idea was rather strange.Kelly Space wanted to town their Astroliner to altitude behind a 747, which might be preferable to in flight retanking (at least for the proposed lower altitude first retanking step)?
"Black Horse" Aerial Propellant Transfer Concept, later Pioneer, etc
Quote"Black Horse" Aerial Propellant Transfer Concept, later Pioneer, etc Guess that is why I was not sure anymore what it was called, it had multiple names