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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #20 on: 02/27/2011 07:31 pm »
Good summing up… but can you choose a different name for those tank extensions!

Also telemetry system consists of both БР-91ЦК-М6 and БР-9ЦК-1

Not sure if БР-91ЦК-М6 replaced БР-91ЦК-М4


http://www.tc-irz.ru/space?Id=34&Pic=1

БР-91ЦК-М4



Compact Telemetry System BR-91TSK-M4 is used for recording and transmission of information via radio link, storing and playing media.

System provides a telemetry signal from the information content of 800, 3200, 25,600 measurements per second battery in the radio decimeter waves (D1).

Specifications:

Power supply system in the range of 23 to 32 pulsing, impulse noise and the drawdown with an amplitude of 2 V of any duration and frequency.
Power transmitting device in the range of 6 W with the possibility of switching to 15 Watts
Memory Capacity 8 MB of memory.

The system provides measurement of 480 digital and 120 analog parameters, except that you can connect up to 63 temperature sensors.
Current consumption of the feeder chain system does not exceed 3 A.
Mass of the system without cables no more than 12,5 kg.
The mass of the cables is not more than 2,1 kg
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http://www.tc-irz.ru/space?Id=35&Pic=1

БР-91ЦК-М6


Compact Telemetry System BR-91TSK-M6 is used for recording and transmitting information about rapidly changing parameters WITH the transmission of information via radio link.

The system provides the transmission of telemetry signals from 51,200 measurements per second on an autonomous radio UHF waves (D1).
Power supply system in the range of 23 to 32 pulsing, impulse noise and the drawdown with an amplitude of 2 V of any duration and frequency.
Power transmitting device in the range of 6 to 15 Watts

The system provides 28 analog measurement parameters:

    6 parameters with a sampling frequency of 6400 Hz;
    2 parameters with a sampling frequency of 3200 Hz;
    9 parameters with a sampling frequency of 400 Hz;
    11 parameters with a sampling frequency of 200 Hz.

Current consumption of the feeder chain system does not exceed 2.5 A.
Mass of the system without cables ranging from 6.5 to 8.6 kg.
The weight of the cables in the range from 0,8 to 1,2 kg.

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #21 on: 02/27/2011 10:35 pm »
Lastly, I have never reviewed earlier Fregat payloads to see if any them used the "M" variant. I suspect that the METOP may have used the "M", but I haven't checked.

The Fregat for METOP-A di dnot have Pimple tanks, therfore it was a standard Fregat:

http://www.starsem.com/news/images/metop_jul12_img_lg.jpg

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #22 on: 02/28/2011 04:16 am »
Lastly, I have never reviewed earlier Fregat payloads to see if any them used the "M" variant. I suspect that the METOP may have used the "M", but I haven't checked.

The Fregat for METOP-A di dnot have Pimple tanks, therfore it was a standard Fregat:

http://www.starsem.com/news/images/metop_jul12_img_lg.jpg

Certainly, all of the documentation implies a standard Fregat.

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #23 on: 04/30/2011 05:46 am »
Galileo to now go up on Fregat-SB?
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=16717

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #24 on: 05/01/2011 10:21 am »
Galileo to now go up on Fregat-SB?
http://www.federalspace.ru/main.php?id=2&nid=16717

At least the four IOV satellites. For the operational satellites, AFAIK, it is still Fregat-MT

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #25 on: 11/14/2011 04:30 pm »
I don't understand which Fregat-SB this video is showing.
At first, I thought it was the MDU for Fobos-Grunt, but it wasn't yet in Baikonur on 7th september 2011 (date of video publication on TVRoscosmos).

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #26 on: 11/14/2011 07:23 pm »
I don't understand which Fregat-SB this video is showing.
At first, I thought it was the MDU for Fobos-Grunt, but it wasn't yet in Baikonur on 7th september 2011 (date of video publication on TVRoscosmos).



Caught 1031 at 1:04 so not SB, and has Soyuz interface. For next Globalstar?

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #27 on: 04/12/2012 09:46 pm »
According to this article:

http://www.arianespace.com/news-mission-update/2012/897.asp

MetOp-B is using a Fregat M stage.


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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #28 on: 11/16/2012 07:19 pm »
Some details on the N.K. forum

http://www.novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic13093/

 Planned PayloadActual Payload
Fregat №1001 IRDT-1
Fregat №1002 Dumsat
Fregat №1003 Cluster-2 (x2)
Fregat №1004 Cluster-2 (x2)
Fregat №1005 Mars Express
Beagle-2
Fregat №1006 Amos-2
Fregat №1007 Galaxy-14
Fregat №1008 GIOVE-B
Fregat №1009 GIOVE-A
Fregat №1010 Venus Express
Fregat №1011 Metop-A
Fregat №1012 Meridian №11
Fregat №1013 COROT
Fregat №1014 Meteor-M №1
Sterkh
UGATUSAT
Universitetskii-Tatiana-2
BLITS
Sumbandila
IRIS
Fregat №1015-2 Radarsat-2
Fregat №1015 Globalstar (x4)
Fregat №1016 Globalstar (x4)
Fregat №1017 damaged during testing
Fregat №1018 Meridian №12
Fregat №1019 Kanopus-В №1
BKA
MKA-FKI №1 (Zond-PP)
exactView 1
TET-1
Fregat №1020 Pléiades-1B
Fregat №1021 Pléiades-1A
SSOT
ELISA (x4)
Fregat-M №1022 Meridian №13
Fregat-M №1023Globalstar-2 (x6)Globalstar-2 (x6)
Fregat-M №1024Globalstar-2 (x6)Globalstar-2 (x6)
Fregat-M №1025 Globalstar-2 (x6)Meteor-M №2
Fregat-M №1026Globalstar-2 (x6) 
Fregat-M №1027 Globalstar-2 (x6)
Fregat-M №1028Meridian №13Meridian №14
Fregat-M №1029 Globalstar-2 (x6)
Fregat-MT №1030KorouGalileo-IOV (x2)
Fregat-MT №1031KorouGalileo-IOV (x2)
Fregat-MT №1032Korou 
Fregat-MT №1033  
Fregat-M №1034Meridian №14Meridian №16
Fregat-M №1035 Uragan-K №701 Kоsmоs-2471
Fregat-M №1036  
Fregat-M №1037 Metop-B
Fregat-MT №1038Korou 
Fregat-MT №1039Korou 
Fregat-M №1042 Meridian №15
Fregat-M №1044Uragan-M №742
Uragan-M №746
Uragan-K №712
Fregat-M №1045 Uragan-M №742 Kоsmоs-2474
Fregat-M №1046 Uragan-M №746 Kоsmоs-2478
Fregat-SB №2001 Elektrо-L №1
Fregat-SB №2002 Spektr-R
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #29 on: 11/17/2012 01:11 pm »
I've just found this interesting text about the S5.92, but I don't really understand what it is saying. Someone could help ?
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #30 on: 11/19/2012 02:01 pm »
After a little correction of the original Russian text:

“The engine chambers are not installed in a gimbal, as usual, but in the hinge, allowing its plane-parallel motion. By this way, a displacement of the thrust vector with regard to the center of mass of the upper stage, which is located very close to the engine head, is ensured. (In this specific case, the cardan joint did not provide the necessary arm to create a moment of thrust)”

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #31 on: 11/28/2012 03:35 pm »
This is getting a little confusing.

Fregat-M is supposed to be a standard Fregat with avionics upgrades plus the small "pimple" tanks. However, we are now seeing standard Fregats withe the avionics upgrades, so is the "M" variant simply a standard Fregat with the pimple tanks? How much longer are we going to see the standard Fregat, or will these be produced in parallel with the "M" and "MT" variants?

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #34 on: 12/07/2012 12:31 pm »
http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/messages/forum13/topic4252/message1013307/#message1013307

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1001Грузовой макет
1002Dumsat
1003Cluster-2 (2 КА) №1
1004Cluster-2 (2 КА) №2
1005Mars Express
1006Amos 2
1007Galaxy-14
1008GIOVE-B
1009GIOVE-A
1010Venus Express
1011MetOp-A
1012Меридиан №11
1013COROT
1014Метеор-М №1
1015Globalstar (4 КА) №2
1015-2Radarsat 2
1016Globalstar (4 КА) №1
1017полностью разукомплектован из-за взрыва ХИТ при испытаниях
1018Меридиан №12
1019Канопус-В №1
1020Pleiades-1B
1021Pleiades-1A
1022Меридиан №13
1023Globalstar-2 (6 КА) №1
1024Globalstar-2 (6 КА) №2
1025Метеор-М №2
1026Космос-2471 (ГЛОНАСС-К1 №11)
1027Globalstar-2 (6 КА) №3
1028Меридиан №14
1029Globalstar-2 (6 КА) №4
1030Galileo-IOV (2 КА) №1
1031Galileo-IOV (2 КА) №2
1032Galileo-FOC (2 КА) №1
1033Тундра
1034Меридиан №16
1035Космос-2474 (ГЛОНАСС-М №42)
1036нет информации
1037MetOp-B
1038Sentinel 1A
1039Gaia
1040O3b (4 КА) №1
1041O3b (4 КА) №2
1042Меридиан №15
1043переименован в 112-03 или 112-04
1044ГЛОНАСС-К1 №12
1045нет информации
1046Космос-2478 (ГЛОНАСС-М №46)
1047ГЛОНАСС-М
2001Электро-Л №1
2002Спектр-Р
112-01ГЛОНАСС
112-02ГЛОНАСС
112-03ГЛОНАСС
112-04ГЛОНАСС
133-01Galileo-FOC (2 КА) №2
133-02O3b (4 КА) №3
133-03Galileo-FOC (2 КА) №3
133-04Galileo-FOC (2 КА) №4
133-05Galileo-FOC (2 КА) №5
133-06нет информации
133-07MetOp-C
222-01Лыбидь
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #35 on: 12/07/2012 01:49 pm »
Fregat-M is supposed to be a standard Fregat with avionics upgrades plus the small "pimple" tanks.

I don't agree. Fregat-M is a standard Fregat with an rearranged PO1 compartment (PO1 is the location of the telemétry system).

http://novosti-kosmonavtiki.ru/forum/forum12/topic13093/

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РБ Фрегат (использовался с 1-х ЛКИ, прошёл 3 этапа модернизации включая один из самых существенных - замена БВК Бисер-3 на Бисер-6). Последний раз использовался при запуске Метеор-М №1 (не считая РБ №1019 для запуска Канопуса-Б который долго пролежал в ожидании пуска). Два таких РБ были поставлены в ГКЦ в начале 2010 года. РБ №1021 был использован при запуске Pleiades-1A. РБ №1020 планируется к использованию при запуске Pleiades-1B. Французские партнёры эту конфигурацию называют «стандартной».

РБ Фрегат-М (новая компоновка ПО1, увеличенная несущая способность). Первый раз был использован при запуске Глобалстар-2 №1 (19.10.2010). Последний раз использовался для запуска Метопа-Б и будет ещё использоваться для внутренних пусков.

РБ Фрегат-МТ (увеличенная заправка за счёт установки дополнительных ёмкостей, доработанный ПО1, облегчённый ПхО). Первый раз был использован при запуске IOV M1 (21/10/2011). Предполагается, что во всех остальных пусках РН Союз-СТБ будет использоваться РБ Фрегат-МТ.

РБ Фрегат-СБ (МТ + сбрасываемый тороидальный бак для использования только с РН Зенит).  Первый раз был использован при запуске Электро-Л №1 (20/01/2011)
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #36 on: 12/07/2012 02:15 pm »
“The engine chambers are not installed in a gimbal, as usual, but in the hinge, allowing its plane-parallel motion.

Thank you for translation, YzeStudent !
But I don't understand this sentence. The S5.92 is able to control its pitch and its yaw. How could it be possible with only one hinge ?
And I don't understand what "plane-parallel" means...  ???
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #37 on: 12/07/2012 02:23 pm »
“The engine chambers are not installed in a gimbal, as usual, but in the hinge, allowing its plane-parallel motion.

Thank you for translation, YzeStudent !
But I don't understand this sentence. The S5.92 is able to control its pitch and its yaw. How could it be possible with only one hinge ?
And I don't understand what "plane-parallel" means...  ???

It moves sideways? Offset from the centre?

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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #38 on: 12/07/2012 09:45 pm »
And I don't understand what "plane-parallel" means...  ???
It means "located/belonging to/confined in a flat plane (of 2 dimensions)", as opposed to a gimball that makes the engine trace a sphere, typically. So, instead of rotation we have translation.
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Re: Fregat Master Thread
« Reply #39 on: 12/11/2012 09:32 am »
And I don't understand what "plane-parallel" means...  ???
It means "located/belonging to/confined in a flat plane (of 2 dimensions)", as opposed to a gimball that makes the engine trace a sphere, typically. So, instead of rotation we have translation.

Thanks zaitcev for that explanation !
But I don't understand how the engine can translate with a hinge ??
Maybe my English is not correct. Do we agree that a "hinge" is this thing ?
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