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Amusingly, the guy quoted in the newspaper story is a filmmaker, whose nickname is "Prof," as in "Prof Simon Holland." Yes. And the Mirror doesn't mention this tidbit--it's on his YouTube blurb. No need to worry about the salt.
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This is really cool, and I'm really excited for Vast!

It kinda looks like they might launch without a fairing?  Since the thrusters have aerodynamic shells on them and it looks like a nosecone has been jettisoned?  Evidence is the red insulating rings on either end of Haven.

I hope their actual build CAD is not the same as their graphics design department.  If we assume that the reflectors on the Haven and the umbilicals are correctly oriented, that means that Dragon is rotated CCW 90d from what it should be, and the double pin/socket should be at the "bottom" or that it's orientation is rotated 120d CW from what it should be.
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Even winds on the trailing side of the center seem to be diminishing.
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Washington State is already a really big satellite manufacturing hub, so it makes sense to locate satellite manufacturing there.


not really
By both mass and number, it is.

It's not where large mil sats are built, so you could say maybe it's not a tech leader, but it's certainly a manufacturing hub.
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But, any way it was measured, 5 mm is really really really good.
It means "way it was measured" would end up being the major contributor to position error - basically the old precision vs. accuracy difference.
Specifically, 5mm positional precision could mean that the booster was commanded so exquisitely that it was within 5mm of its commanded pose during landing, but if the coordinate system they were using had larger error (e.g. GPS without a differential update) then the commanded position could have been meters from the desired actual position - in other words, the booster got within a few mm of where it though it should be, but where it though it should be was not where it actually was ("The rocket body knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't...").

With the catch tower not floating about and bobbing up and down, and being conveniently stationary relative to any dGPS system set up at the landing site, that measurement error should be capable to being clamped down to a few cm at most, even without the aid of active positioning system (e.g. approach RADAR, LIDAR, markerless optical tracking, etc).
Yup add that to the list of objections I started.

What I'm saying though is that 5 mm  because of these, is probably functionally the same as 50 mm, and both are amazing.

I'd say 500mm is probably ok too.
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There is no such thing as commercial mars anything. Its 100% government funded.

Wrong, it's not 100% government funded. For one thing, SpaceX self funded Red Dragon and early Raptor/Starship R&D.

And Red Dragon landed on -- oh wait, it went nowhere beyond powerpoint.
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Big win from for NASA will be a commercially available Mars Descent(lander), Mars Ascent, Earth Return vehicles. Any of which could be used for future missions at fixed price.
What future missions? Every space agency's planetary missions are scheduled out years in advance. No one is budgeting a second sample return. No commercial market.

And what would collect the samples? US and European scientists ruled out simple grab and return missions, what 10-15 years ago? So you'd need to do another Perseverance style sample collection. I don't think anyone would want to do that until they see what the Perseverance samples can tell us. Perseverance was sent to the one place on Mars (that met engineering constraints) that the scientific community believed was the best to sample. Do another mission mission from the second best without seeing what samples from the best can tell you?

(I know that the Chinese mission is a grab and return, which is a good strategy if you want to study a broad region (as their lunar samples are doing). However, the US/European strategy is to look for carefully curated samples from highly local environments. Look at how carefully the Perseverance team has been in collecting samples of very local conditions.

The Chinese/broad region approach is valid, but the US/European science communities decided long ago that that would not answer the key questions about potential life/habitable sites on Mars. They ruled out a grab and return as not being enough science for the cost.)

Very good post. Ah sure it will hurt a little at the *pride* level, if the chinese gets Mars samples first. Then again, if NASA / ESA science strategy is more interesting, maybe it will be worth being second. This is no Apollo Cold War D*ck Measuring contest.
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Tory confirmed there are no more Atlas V launching this year, so ViaSat-3 F3 is not launching on Atlas V in Q4.

ViaSat-3 F2's launch is planned for the 1st half of 2025 as mentioned earlier in the thread.

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Are there any more Atlas launches planned for this year? Or will it only be USSF-106 and USSF-87?
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No more Atlas V launch for this year. As project Kuiper Mission 2 delayed to Q1 2025 as told by NSF's 
@dpoddolphinpro
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Correct

https://twitter.com/GewoonLukas_/status/1844315671750152504

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1844403575927210045
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Does 4 (b) iii mean there will be no booster catch attempt on this flight?
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Historical Spaceflight / Re: Early Soviet Cosmonauts
« Last post by Spiceman on Today at 03:50 pm »
A lot of people teeth cringed when Mister K. paid a visit to Eisenhower, in september 1959... cosmonauts were more welcome.
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