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Northrop Grumman Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« on: 09/18/2017 01:32 am »

https://www.orbitalatk.com/news-room/release.asp?prid=287

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/northrop-grumman-nears-deal-to-buy-orbital-atk-1505686431

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Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
Deal could be announced Monday, may be worth more than $7.5 billion

Northrop Grumman Corp. is nearing a deal to buy Orbital ATK Inc. in a transaction that could be worth upward of $7.5 billion, as acquisition activity in the aerospace industry ramps up.

Big, if true

EDIT: full text http://news.morningstar.com/all/dow-jones/us-markets/201709171052/northrop-grumman-nears-deal-to-buy-orbital-atk-sources-say-update.aspx

Reuters as well
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-orbital-atk-northrop-grumman/northrop-grumman-nears-deal-to-purchase-orbital-atk-source-idUSKCN1BS0YB
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #1 on: 09/18/2017 03:13 am »
I saw this elsewhere:

http://www.reuters.com/article/orbital-atk-northrop-grumman/northrop-grumman-nears-deal-to-purchase-orbital-source-idUSL2N1LY0QR

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Northrop Grumman Corp neared an agreement to buy Orbital ATK Inc, in a transaction that could be announced as soon as Monday, according to a person familiar with the transaction...

If true, what are the implications? At least it is not another space launch provider who is the buyer, which seems like a good thing.
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #2 on: 09/18/2017 03:21 am »
Also being discussed here
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #3 on: 09/18/2017 04:04 am »
Please correct the title to read "Northrop", not "Northrup".

This would be pretty important, because it means Northrop Grumman will be getting into the launch business - and they recently also bought Scaled Composites.

I'm OK espousing rampantly uninformed conspiracy theories about what this could mean...  :D
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #4 on: 09/18/2017 04:59 am »
and they recently also bought Scaled Composites.

If 10 years ago is recently, sure.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #5 on: 09/18/2017 05:33 am »
This would be pretty important, because it means Northrop Grumman will be getting into the launch business

I thought they don't want to getting into launch business because the profit margin is thin...

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #6 on: 09/18/2017 05:35 am »
This would be pretty important, because it means Northrop Grumman will be getting into the launch business

I thought they don't want to getting into launch business because the profit margin is thin...

The more competitors, the thinner margins, yes. (Usually) But this is why they would be acquiring an existing provider instead of doing their own thing.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #7 on: 09/18/2017 05:48 am »
and they recently also bought Scaled Composites.

If 10 years ago is recently, sure.

At my age that's recent...   :o
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #8 on: 09/18/2017 05:54 am »

I wonder how this can work.  Northrop Grumman is competing for the Minuteman replacement.  With this move, it would control much of the U.S. solid motor propulsion, potentially denying these motors to its competitors.  Can that even happen?

Sad to see Orbital slipping away, if true, but times always change.
I think what's amazing is how quiet the whole thing has been. Usually when multi $Bn companies are thinking about M&A it's all over the financial press, but this seems to be happening without a ripple.

Given the players it's inconceivable that the DoD has not been kept in the loop.

And they are talking about an all cash deal as well?? No share swapping. NG must have quite a war chest to do that.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #9 on: 09/18/2017 07:10 am »

I wonder how this can work.  Northrop Grumman is competing for the Minuteman replacement.  With this move, it would control much of the U.S. solid motor propulsion, potentially denying these motors to its competitors.  Can that even happen?

Sad to see Orbital slipping away, if true, but times always change.
I think what's amazing is how quiet the whole thing has been. Usually when multi $Bn companies are thinking about M&A it's all over the financial press, but this seems to be happening without a ripple.

Given the players it's inconceivable that the DoD has not been kept in the loop.

And they are talking about an all cash deal as well?? No share swapping. NG must have quite a war chest to do that.

That's what you get when you win a potential $50 billion deal for the B-21, I imagine the profit on that alone must be extremely healthy for their bottom line over a number of years. They also have a good cut of the F-35 work. It's funny that before they won the B-21 competition there was much talk of them being taken over by someone like Boeing or LM, that's now stopped.
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #10 on: 09/18/2017 07:35 am »
That's what you get when you win a potential $50 billion deal for the B-21, I imagine the profit on that alone must be extremely healthy for their bottom line over a number of years. They also have a good cut of the F-35 work. It's funny that before they won the B-21 competition there was much talk of them being taken over by someone like Boeing or LM, that's now stopped.
I knew the USAF had some sort of "Next Generation Bomber" programme running on for years, but I didn't know they'd finally awarded it.

Any bets on how late it will be or how much it will be cut down by?
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #11 on: 09/18/2017 08:41 am »
Depend if it's for solid rockets business for military (new ABMs thanks to the Best Korea). And Orbital's other space stuff is just bonus, or is it lucrative enough?

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #12 on: 09/18/2017 08:53 am »
This would be pretty important, because it means Northrop Grumman will be getting into the launch business

I thought they don't want to getting into launch business because the profit margin is thin...
They were in XS1 competition.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #13 on: 09/18/2017 09:14 am »
That's what you get when you win a potential $50 billion deal for the B-21, I imagine the profit on that alone must be extremely healthy for their bottom line over a number of years. They also have a good cut of the F-35 work. It's funny that before they won the B-21 competition there was much talk of them being taken over by someone like Boeing or LM, that's now stopped.
I knew the USAF had some sort of "Next Generation Bomber" programme running on for years, but I didn't know they'd finally awarded it.

Any bets on how late it will be or how much it will be cut down by?

Neither should happen I hope being as it's being run by the rapid capabilities office. The only delay it's encountered so far was the LM/Boeing protest against the award which was a little while back now and was dismissed. A lot of technologies going into it have already been risk reduced or are off the shelf so we are told, how this has or is being done is not for public consumption it would seem. Nor is it possible to see exact costings as these are classified under the justification that others could calculate things about the bomber from them. The only thing to be reduced are very generalised coatings. We don't even know any contractors working on it as they are also classified for the same reason.
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #14 on: 09/18/2017 09:20 am »
The Air Force is rather keen on getting a lot of B-21s and Northrop Grumman won the contract for the Raider on technical risk and estimated procurement costs, so their future revenues are likely looking solid. The US Air Force's expressed desire to acquire 100+, and possibly even 200+ aircraft doesn't hurt their projections either.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #15 on: 09/18/2017 09:40 am »
Discussion about B-21 is off-topic. Not just for this thread, but for this entire forum.
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Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #16 on: 09/18/2017 10:35 am »
Discussion about B-21 is off-topic. Not just for this thread, but for this entire forum.

Surely how NG are funding this funding this purchase is on topic.
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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #17 on: 09/18/2017 11:12 am »
Discussion about B-21 is off-topic. Not just for this thread, but for this entire forum.

Surely how NG are funding this funding this purchase is on topic.
No it isn't given that there is not a shred of public evidence that this supposed take-over of Orbital-ATK is funded via the B-21 contract. That's all pure speculation.
So, discussions about how many bombers USAF wants, under the B-21 program, and on what criteria NG won the B-21 contract is completely off-topic. This is a spaceflight forum. Not a forum on 21st-century bombers.

Remember what happened the last time anyone here tried to tie-in Tesla into a SpaceX thread? Yup, that's right: that thread got locked. And rightfully so.

So, I strongly suggest folks here refrain from veering into B-21 discussions here. Because it is OT.

Thank you.

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Re: Northrop Grumman Nears Deal to Buy Orbital ATK
« Reply #18 on: 09/18/2017 11:16 am »
Also : "BRIEF-JPMorgan to provide Northrop Grumman bridge loan of up to $8.5 bln for Orbital deal"

...reuters.com...jpmorgan-to-provide-northrop-grumm

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