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Offline hektor

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #20 on: 01/10/2012 03:47 pm »
Why not just simply cancel HSF at NASA and focus on robotic exploration ?

If there is a market, private sector does HSF. If not, no HSF.
« Last Edit: 01/10/2012 03:47 pm by hektor »

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #21 on: 01/10/2012 03:50 pm »
Why not just simply cancel HSF at NASA and focus on robotic exploration ?

If there is a market, private sector does HSF. If not, no HSF.

That is essentially the position of a guy named Robert Oler who posts over on spacepolitics.com.
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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #22 on: 01/10/2012 04:00 pm »
Why not just simply cancel HSF at NASA and focus on robotic exploration ?

If there is a market, private sector does HSF. If not, no HSF.

Why not just simply cancel robotic HSF at NASA and focus on human exploration?

If there is a market, private sector does robotic.  If not, no robotic space flight. 
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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #23 on: 01/10/2012 04:30 pm »
Why not just simply cancel HSF at NASA and focus on robotic exploration ?

If there is a market, private sector does HSF. If not, no HSF.

Why not just simply cancel robotic HSF at NASA and focus on human exploration?

If there is a market, private sector does robotic.  If not, no robotic space flight. 

Beat me to it!

This recent refrain of "let the market decide" is starting to make me a bit chafed. A market does not decide policy, policy makers make policy.

An open market is one way of implementing a policy, once decided. But a market needs multiple suppliers and multiple customers to be truly efficient. We don't have multiple customers for BLEO architectures, and we won't for a long long time.

We need to encourage a strong national space policy to support what little market there is, both for HSF and robotic missions. The NASA Authorization Act of 2010 is a strong expression of such a policy, and NASA finally seems to be moving on it. I say, let's let them run with it and quit the constant lusting after the SLS budget. That doesn't help anyone, especially not those taking the potshots.

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #24 on: 01/10/2012 04:55 pm »
If the SLS is cancelled the Orion could be launched on the Falcon Heavy.  A larger Service Module (SM) able to act as a Earth Departure Stage (EDS) may be useful, particularly if it can be fuelled in space.

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #25 on: 01/10/2012 05:11 pm »
Note:  Falcon Heavy does not exist either.  Also with unknown performance, cost and schedule. 
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Why not just simply cancel robotic HSF at NASA ?

Yeah, those robonauts aren't worth it, and they're kind of creepy besides! ;)
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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #27 on: 01/11/2012 08:04 am »
Why not just simply cancel robotic HSF at NASA ?

Yeah, those robonauts aren't worth it, and they're kind of creepy besides! ;)

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #28 on: 01/13/2012 03:17 pm »
Disregarding it seem unlikely SLS will be canceled at this point I'd switch to EOR architecture using existing and near term LVs with propellant depots and SEP tugs.
The primary LVs would be both Atlas V,Delta IV,and F9-H

For a BEO spacecraft I'd go with two vehicles a Modified Dragon and Dream Chaser XL.

Next I'd give the lander contracts to companies like Armadillo and Blue Origin.

Since money would be left over I'd restart advanced propulsion research on RLVs get it allocated to some useful programs before someone takes it away.

I'd also start work on vehicles like Nautilus-X.
« Last Edit: 01/13/2012 03:20 pm by Patchouli »

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #29 on: 01/14/2012 03:38 am »
Some people thought that once Shuttle was gone, most of the money spent on it would go into new technologies, new vehicles, new ventures... Instead; what happened? NASA got a swift $1.6 billion dollar budget cut, coming mostly from operations funding - most of which was the Shuttle budget. With nothing to replace the Shuttle short-term, the swift budget cut was more like a swift kick in the family jewels.

Cut SLS funding? You wont get it back. If SLS disappears (I hope not) then ask/help Elon Musk to develop his new, big Merlin 2 engine for Falcon X. Or help Elon make enough Merlin 1D engines so he can build lots of Falcon Heavies or cluster 5x Falcon 9 stages to make a Falcon Heavy+Plus (45 engines - 6.3 million pounds thrust at liftoff) and get the cryogenic Raptor upper stage engine up and running. Such a booster could conceivably throw nearly 40 metric tons towards Mars....

Good post. And besides, it's the law, voted in by over 2/3s of the lawmakers.

I really don't get this "it's the law" stuff...

Ares I was the "law" at one time as well, Constellation couldn't be canceled... all that noise...

The law can be changed with a vote and a stroke of a pen...

SO, SLS is the law TODAY... let's see how long THAT lasts...

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Re: If SLS & MPCV was canceled, what would you do instead?
« Reply #30 on: 01/14/2012 04:53 am »
Constellation lol

ESAS reads likes it was written by ATK.

No wonder it was an absolute disaster.

We recommend SOLIDS, SOLIDS AND MORE SOLIDS!!!!

ARES ARES ARES!!!!!

The more I read it the more I think it's a joke.

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