I call this practice "deorbit-washing" (similar to greenwashing) where a launch company markets its debris management practices as more effective than they actually are. If someone can come up with a better name I'm all for it, can't really think of a color for the practice of preventing space debris.
Not sure if you got this from the following tweet (and its replies) which includes the orbital heights of all remaining Electron kick stages, but even if you did, it's a good source for others interested in reading about the details.https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1392322865316442114
The Photon is tiny, really really tiny compared to just about everything else up there (barring the payloads it deploys, CubeSats, etc.), and a rounding error compared to the size of LEO.The Electron's diameter is only 1.2m (3'11"), and the Photon kick stage's height is some fraction of the 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in) second stage.A typical Boeing communication satellite bus (the 702SP is pictured) is 4.57m (15') tall and 2.1m (7') wide.Back of the napkin math puts the total volume of space between 100km and 700km at 336,000,000,000km, or 336 trillion meters.Not that space junk isn't an issue, but Photon's contribution is a rounding error at best.
While Rocket Lab is by far not the worst offender when it comes to space junk, it's disappointing to see from a company that promotes itself as a responsible steward of space. I call this practice "deorbit-washing" (similar to greenwashing) where a launch company markets its debris management practices as more effective than they actually are. If someone can come up with a better name I'm all for it, can't really think of a color for the practice of preventing space debris.
Quote from: gaballard on 05/12/2021 05:41 pmThe Photon is tiny, really really tiny compared to just about everything else up there (barring the payloads it deploys, CubeSats, etc.), and a rounding error compared to the size of LEO.The Electron's diameter is only 1.2m (3'11"), and the Photon kick stage's height is some fraction of the 2.4 m (7 ft 10 in) second stage.A typical Boeing communication satellite bus (the 702SP is pictured) is 4.57m (15') tall and 2.1m (7') wide.Back of the napkin math puts the total volume of space between 100km and 700km at 336,000,000,000km, or 336 trillion meters.Not that space junk isn't an issue, but Photon's contribution is a rounding error at best.With that math *any* space junk is a rounding error at best. But a tiny bullet is still lethal. They should do better - all companies and nations should do better.Quote from: Pueo on 05/12/2021 04:36 pmWhile Rocket Lab is by far not the worst offender when it comes to space junk, it's disappointing to see from a company that promotes itself as a responsible steward of space. I call this practice "deorbit-washing" (similar to greenwashing) where a launch company markets its debris management practices as more effective than they actually are. If someone can come up with a better name I'm all for it, can't really think of a color for the practice of preventing space debris..Yes, RL should be more up front about this.
I agree. Terrorism about space debris should be avoided, but everyone should do better. Lucly spaceX does the deorbits, otherwise we would have ended up with a pile of second stages.
But ultimately I think we could excuse RL for the electron, given the big penalty of a full deorbit. But since these objects are integers and tracked and aren't so much The risk for an active mission striking one of them is very low.Although for a dead satellite the risk is bigger, because it can't manovrate. But being in polar orbit makes them more dangerouse.
Quote from: Alberto-Girardi on 05/12/2021 07:22 pmI agree. Terrorism about space debris should be avoided, but everyone should do better. Lucly spaceX does the deorbits, otherwise we would have ended up with a pile of second stages.Although about SpaceX... Yes as Ed points out, not all SpaceX upper stages are de-orbited. They try to do it for all LEO missions, but sometimes the deorbit burn fails. And they don't do de-orbit burns for GTO missions.
Although about SpaceX... Yes as Ed points out, not all SpaceX upper stages are de-orbited. They try to do it for all LEO missions, but sometimes the deorbit burn fails. And they don't do de-orbit burns for GTO missions.
One could make the argument that for safety reasons they need to transition to all Photon, as that allows more loiter capability to align deorbit burns, plus to reduce fuel consumption, use something like a deorbit electrodynamic tether (AKA generator mode) to get Photon lower before the burn.