Pretty sure frozen orbits are fixed relative to the lunar mass concentrations; thus fixed relative to the surface.https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/06nov_loworbit
"Lunar Orbital Facility Location Options," at:http://selenianboondocks.com/2016/04/lunar-orbital-facility-location-options/Links to:http://spirit.as.utexas.edu/~fiso/telecon/Whitley_4-13-16/Whitley_4-13-16.pdfISTM reading that makes a pretty good place to start.
Quote from: sdsds on 12/07/2016 06:48 amPretty sure frozen orbits are fixed relative to the lunar mass concentrations; thus fixed relative to the surface.https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/06nov_loworbitThat doesn't clarify if the orbits are Lunar synchronous. All it says is"There are actually a number of 'frozen orbits' where a spacecraft can stay in a low lunar orbit indefinitely. They occur at four inclinations: 27º, 50º, 76º, and 86º"—the last one being nearly over the lunar poles."That only gives the inclination of the orbits. With a Lunar synchronous orbit I think you would also need to specify the longitude at the Lunar equator the orbital plane crosses.
Some lunar frozen orbits are nearly sun-synchronous. In other words, the orbital plane rotates once per year with respect to the stars. Such an orbit is obviously not lunar synchronous.This doesn't prove that lunar-synchronous frozen orbits don't exist. But such orbits would require precession rates 12 times greater. My guess is that mascons can't do that. But that's just a guess.
*SNIP*A more modern example is the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter. It's been circling the moon for over 7 years now in a low polar orbit with eccentricity that's brought it as low as 20 km. Considering one frozen orbit inclination is at 86 degrees, I wouldn't be surprised if LRO occupies this slot closely (it was designed to last a year), given a 4 degree variation from a perfect 90 would still allow a thorough mapping of Luna (sadly only a listing of orbital altitude, not inclination, was on LRO's NASA websites).The 2 inclinations that stand out the most to me would be 27º and 86º. 86, like with LRO, would allow for mapping and complete access to the whole Moon. 27, while primarily equatorial, is easier to access from Earth which would be vital for non-surface activity such as station construction or depot refueling (assuming, unlike LRO, the incoming spacecraft don't have reserves for extreme inclination adjustment).As Steven pointed out (specifically on longitude), where a spacecraft would pass over the Moon is likely a big factor (especially if its a region with a large mascon anomaly). I'm further curious how far the range of a frozen orbit could be. The newly mentioned Near Rectilinear Orbits are near-polar as well but apparently range as far as 75,000 km; the article mentioned on Selenian Boondocks only specifies a "typical" frozen orbit ranging between 880 to 8,800 km but I'm under the impression now that frozen orbits can vary greatly including being either circular or elliptical, so long as their inclinations fall into a safe zone.*SNIP*
Pretty sure frozen orbits are fixed relative to the lunar mass concentrations; thus fixed relative to the surface.
"Sept. 15, 2009 the LRO orbiter spacecraft was moved into a polar-inclination of 89.7º circular 50 km mean altitude orbit"https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/l/lroI can find no description of LRO's inclination after that date, so presumably it is still in a very similar orbit.
Alternatively, if there are mission reasons for choosing a non-frozen orbital inclination, plan to do frequent course corrections. Lunar Prospector had to do a maneuver every two months to keep itself in its initial circular orbit of 60 miles (100 km)—and more often than once a month when it was orbiting at only 20 miles (30 km) altitude
Quote from: whitelancer64 on 12/07/2016 07:17 pm"Sept. 15, 2009 the LRO orbiter spacecraft was moved into a polar-inclination of 89.7º circular 50 km mean altitude orbit"https://directory.eoportal.org/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/l/lroI can find no description of LRO's inclination after that date, so presumably it is still in a very similar orbit. I hope this is true! If Orion could park in that orbit a crewed lander should be able to get to the polar regions of interest with any-time abort capability.My concern is that Orion can't get there (and back home) on its own.
The 2 inclinations that stand out the most to me would be 27º and 86º. 86, like with LRO, would allow for mapping and complete access to the whole Moon. 27, while primarily equatorial, is easier to access from Earth....
Quote from: redliox on 12/07/2016 06:50 pmThe 2 inclinations that stand out the most to me would be 27º and 86º. 86, like with LRO, would allow for mapping and complete access to the whole Moon. 27, while primarily equatorial, is easier to access from Earth....It's intuitively reasonable that reaching lunar polar orbit from LEO requires quite a bit more delta-V, but in fact it doesn't. All you have to do is incline the trajectory outbound from Earth so that on arrival near the moon one is near a pole rather than the equator.
If, however, you want a free-return trajectory, then it gets more complicated (the attachment to this post has a nice analysis of free returns), and transit times increase. I suppose that's why Constellation's plan for reaching high-latitude landing sites was to inject into a highly-elliptical, nearly equatorial orbit first and then chance inclination at the first apolune.
the attachment to this post has a nice analysis of free returns
If, however, you want a free-return trajectory, then it gets more complicated (the attachment to this post has a nice analysis of free returns), and transit times increase.
MOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. [...]the chief of the Manned Programs Center at the space industry’s main research institute, cosmonaut Oleg Kotov, has told TASS."The discussion over plans for creating an international station in the Moon’s orbit is in the initial phase. [...] Currently the station is seen as a small visitable orbiter consisting of three or four modules in the Moon’s polar highly elliptical orbit," he said.
http://tass.com/science/918631[...]In the Russian version of this TASS report, Roskosmos manned spaceflight department chief Sergei Krikalyov confirms that of the three orbits originally considered (low orbit, highly elliptical, libration point), the highly elliptical orbit is now the one being studied most closely.
QuoteMOSCOW, December 12. /TASS/. [...]the chief of the Manned Programs Center at the space industry’s main research institute, cosmonaut Oleg Kotov, has told TASS."The discussion over plans for creating an international station in the Moon’s orbit is in the initial phase. [...] Currently the station is seen as a small visitable orbiter consisting of three or four modules in the Moon’s polar highly elliptical orbit," he said.This matches the description of an NRO.Quote from: B. Hendrickx on 12/12/2016 10:26 pmhttp://tass.com/science/918631[...]In the Russian version of this TASS report, Roskosmos manned spaceflight department chief Sergei Krikalyov confirms that of the three orbits originally considered (low orbit, highly elliptical, libration point), the highly elliptical orbit is now the one being studied most closely.