Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat - Luna-25 (Luna-Glob) - Vostochny - 10 August 2023 - 23:10 UTC

[Stan Black]

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[Danderman]

It seems that there may be a link between this mission moving to a smaller launcher, and the Indian component of the mission being moved to a different launcher.

[Star One]

Must be significantly downscaled if it's moved to a Soyuz launcher.

[Danderman]

http://spaceexp.tumblr.com/post/64287200145/first-russian-moon-mission-delayed

First Russian moon mission delayed

Russian Luna-25 (Luna-Glob 1) mission previously scheduled for launch in 2015 was postponed until 2016, according to Lev Zeleny, director of Space Research Institute. This will be a lunar lander technology demonstration mission. As a consequence, the launch schedule of the following lunar missions has changed too: Luna-26 will be sent to the Moon in 2018 and Luna-27 in 2019. (via Novosti Kosmonavtiki)

IMHO, we will see a one year delay of this mission for every year of real time that passes, at least for a few more years.

[Danderman]

There must have been an earlier contract for the procurement of the launch vehicle if there is a 2013 contract for maintenance of the rocket.

Of course, the problem is that if the rocket were build prior to 2013, and it is now scheduled for launch in 2016, any further delays might push the rocket beyond its certified lifetime.

[B. Hendrickx]

There is conflicting information about the launch dates for the next Russian unmanned lunar missions. Two officials of the Institute of Space Research (IKI) gave different target dates during the COSPAR conference in Moscow yesterday :

IKI director Lev Zelyonyy :

http://ria.ru/science/20140802/1018573356.html

Luna-25 : 2019
Luna-26 : 2021
Luna-27 : 2023

This would be a three-year delay for Luna-25 from the previously announced launch date of 2016.
Also see Anatoly Zak's website :
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/spacecraft_planetary_2014.html


Meanwhile, the head of IKI's Nuclear Planetology Department Igor Mitrofanov gave more optimistic dates :

http://ria.ru/space/20140803/1018660738.html

Luna-25 : 2017
Luna-26 : 2018
Luna-27 : 2019

Mitrofanov also said a lunar sample return mission is being targeted for 2021-2022.

I suppose Zelyonyy is the most authoritative of the two sources...

Luna-25 is an orbiter (also known as Luna Glob), Luna-26 is an orbiter and Luna-27 another lander. The latter two are flown under the Luna Resurs project.

[B. Hendrickx]

RIA Novosti quotes IKI director Lev Zelyonyy as saying  the launch of the Luna-25 lander has been delayed from 2016 to 2018. He added that the scientific payload has been further scaled back in order to facilitate the landing (Luna-25 is mainy a technology demonstrator). Zelyonyy also said further delays are "unacceptable" and that the Luna-26 and Luna-27 follow-on missions should still fly before the end of the decade.


http://ria.ru/space/20141003/1026822990.html

[Danderman]

I would expect all of the lunar missions to slip one year in planning time for every year of real time that passes.

[Moe Grills]

I would expect all of the lunar missions to slip one year in planning time for every year of real time that passes.

What are you really saying?
Be brave and spit it out!
Are you saying that Russia will never...never... (As long as you live) build and launch another interplanetary craft?
As far as I know they may have begun to "cut metal" for at least one of these missions.

[Danderman]

I would expect all of the lunar missions to slip one year in planning time for every year of real time that passes.

What are you really saying?
Be brave and spit it out!
Are you saying that Russia will never...never... (As long as you live) build and launch another interplanetary craft?
As far as I know they may have begun to "cut metal" for at least one of these missions.

Until the current economic crisis is over, schedules for non-essential missions, or missions not paid for by foreign currency, will slip.

[Moe Grills]

I would expect all of the lunar missions to slip one year in planning time for every year of real time that passes.

What are you really saying?
Be brave and spit it out!
Are you saying that Russia will never...never... (As long as you live) build and launch another interplanetary craft?
As far as I know they may have begun to "cut metal" for at least one of these missions.

Until the current economic crisis is over, schedules for non-essential missions, or missions not paid for by foreign currency, will slip.

Now you've made yourself clear. Thanks. BTW, it's curious that in the 1990's under the Yeltsin regime, Russian
launch services started to rely on commercial sponsorship for (partial) funding; slapping advertising logos on boosters.  One wonders why RKA and the present Russian space agencies, didn't take the next step and seek commercial sponsorship (with logos, etc) for non-essential spacecraft.

[Danderman]

Because of the lack of success in bringing in serious money.

[Nicolas PILLET]

My pictures of Luna-Glob in MAKS-2015 are here :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/satellites/lune/sondes/lunaglob/photos/maks2015/maks2015.html

[savuporo]

My pictures of Luna-Glob in MAKS-2015 are here :

http://www.kosmonavtika.com/satellites/lune/sondes/lunaglob/photos/maks2015/maks2015.html

Awesome photography, thanks a lot ! Makes Luna-glob plans look a lot more real than the ever changing renders in press releases

BTW, as i haven't seen recent payload descriptions posted elsewhere. Following page lists some of it, not sure how up to date as i read Лев Зеленый saying that some of the payloads are de-scoped.

Payload list
http://kosmolenta.com/index.php/project-lunar/project-lunar-25

Gamma ray spectrometer details
http://l503.iki.rssi.ru/ADRON.html

Another EDIT: And here is a pretty recent interview with Зеленый who sort of seems to be the man in charge of this program. Touches upon some of the difficulties with Luna-glob program.

He claims that the technical challenges for the Luna-25 probe are sort of solved far enough that they would be ready to launch in late 2017, but fiscal and political reality is different.

http://www.ras.ru/news/shownews.aspx?id=8003e5fb-c556-4220-890b-0ca576b9137f

[Nicolas PILLET]

Gamma ray spectrometer details
http://l503.iki.rssi.ru/ADRON.html

Hmmm... I don't see anything that looks like this on my pictures...

[savuporo]

Gamma ray spectrometer details
http://l503.iki.rssi.ru/ADRON.html

Hmmm... I don't see anything that looks like this on my pictures...

Maybe thats the one that got cut, or could be that not all instruments were mounted at the show.

There is a english page overivew of that No63 IKI department that specializes on planetary instruments. Also working on ExoMars :
http://l503.iki.rssi.ru/instruments-en.html

[Nicolas PILLET]

could be that not all instruments were mounted at the show.

I think it is the more likely. Since it is a test model of Luna-Glob, it would be quiet normal that not all scientific instruments are mounted on it...

[savuporo]

This post has another batch of close-up photos at MAKS. Also a KVTK cameo ..

http://geektimes.ru/post/261996/

[Stan Black]

If I understand this tender the rocket is being stored, awaiting launch and for the third year in a row the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roskosmos) has had to pay for this work.

 Еженедельный внешний осмотр изделий без вскрытия люков обслуживания. Контроль внешнего состояния и наличия всех ящиков и другой упаковочной тары комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов и ЗИПа.
 Ежемесячный контроль состояния силикагеля в «дыхательных» приспособлениях и осмотр патронов – индикаторов влажности в заглушках КС ДУ. Выборочный осмотр (не менее одного блока) приборов, агрегатов и БКС со снятием гермоукупорки и вскрытием люков.
 Ежеквартальный внешний осмотр приборов, агрегатов и БКС со снятием гермоукупорки и вскрытием люков. Замер остаточного давления в бортовых баллонах. Контроль состояния силикагеля в «дыхательных» приспособлениях и осмотр патронов – индикаторов влажности в заглушках КС ДУ. Выборочный (до 25%) внешний осмотр комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов и ЗИПа - внешний осмотр состояния гермоукупорки, контроль индикаторов влажности, контроль состояния консервации.
 Годовые автономные испытания ДУ. Автономные испытания СИ и СВТИ. Совместные испытания СИ и СВТИ. Комплексные испытания БАСУ с записью на СИ. Автономные испытания СУ. Проведение ЗКИ с записью на СИ. Заключительные операции. Проверка комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов, поставляемых отдельно и устанавливаемых в ЭО, а также ЗИПа в объеме действующей на них документации (паспортов, формуляров, ТУ).

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ok44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007015000106

A similar tender has been issued for the Fregat upper stage; and includes the serial numbers.

Проведение регламентных работ в рамках годового технического обслуживания РБ «Фрегат» № 122-01 для запуска КА «Луна-Глоб», РБ «Фрегат» № 122-02 для запуска КА «Резонанс», РБ «Фрегат» № 122-04 для запуска КА «Метеор-М» № 2-1 и РБ «Фрегат-СБ» № 2006 для запуска КА «Спектр-РГ». Место проведения годового технического обслуживания: ФГУП «НПО им. С.А. Лавочкина» (г. Химки, ул. Ленинградская, д. 24). Годовое техническое обслуживание должно проводиться в соответствии с требованиями технических
условий на изделие по программе-методике РБФ-0000-0 ПМ-7.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ok44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007015000109

[russianhalo117]

If I understand this tender the rocket is being stored, awaiting launch and for the third year in a row the Russian Federal Space Agency (Roskosmos) has had to pay for this work.

 Еженедельный внешний осмотр изделий без вскрытия люков обслуживания. Контроль внешнего состояния и наличия всех ящиков и другой упаковочной тары комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов и ЗИПа.
 Ежемесячный контроль состояния силикагеля в «дыхательных» приспособлениях и осмотр патронов – индикаторов влажности в заглушках КС ДУ. Выборочный осмотр (не менее одного блока) приборов, агрегатов и БКС со снятием гермоукупорки и вскрытием люков.
 Ежеквартальный внешний осмотр приборов, агрегатов и БКС со снятием гермоукупорки и вскрытием люков. Замер остаточного давления в бортовых баллонах. Контроль состояния силикагеля в «дыхательных» приспособлениях и осмотр патронов – индикаторов влажности в заглушках КС ДУ. Выборочный (до 25%) внешний осмотр комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов и ЗИПа - внешний осмотр состояния гермоукупорки, контроль индикаторов влажности, контроль состояния консервации.
 Годовые автономные испытания ДУ. Автономные испытания СИ и СВТИ. Совместные испытания СИ и СВТИ. Комплексные испытания БАСУ с записью на СИ. Автономные испытания СУ. Проведение ЗКИ с записью на СИ. Заключительные операции. Проверка комплектующих элементов, приборов, агрегатов, поставляемых отдельно и устанавливаемых в ЭО, а также ЗИПа в объеме действующей на них документации (паспортов, формуляров, ТУ).

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ok44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007015000106

A similar tender has been issued for the Fregat upper stage; and includes the serial numbers.

Проведение регламентных работ в рамках годового технического обслуживания РБ «Фрегат» № 122-01 для запуска КА «Луна-Глоб», РБ «Фрегат» № 122-02 для запуска КА «Резонанс», РБ «Фрегат» № 122-04 для запуска КА «Метеор-М» № 2-1 и РБ «Фрегат-СБ» № 2006 для запуска КА «Спектр-РГ». Место проведения годового технического обслуживания: ФГУП «НПО им. С.А. Лавочкина» (г. Химки, ул. Ленинградская, д. 24). Годовое техническое обслуживание должно проводиться в соответствии с требованиями технических
условий на изделие по программе-методике РБФ-0000-0 ПМ-7.

http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/order/notice/ok44/view/common-info.html?regNumber=0173100007015000109

yes that is correct