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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #20 on: 03/20/2018 01:43 pm »
SpaceX was granted their S1/S2 comms STA today for a launch NET 4/30 from LC-40, likely SES-12 unless TESS is delayed significantly.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=83119

If TESS doesn't have FCC permits and Bangabandhu-1 is Mission 1380, then SES-12 should be Mission 1418 and the STA you are referencing (Mission 1465) would be the GTO flight after SES-12.

edit:  we really should include File Numbers in the posts about STA applications instead of just that link.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #21 on: 03/29/2018 02:31 pm »
Maybe an SES-12 recovery permit? It looks like a GTO landing and Bangabandhu already has one.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82665&RequestTimeout=1000

File number: 0211-EX-ST-2018       
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #22 on: 03/29/2018 02:47 pm »
Maybe an SES-12 recovery permit? It looks like a GTO landing and Bangabandhu already has one.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82665&RequestTimeout=1000

File number: 0211-EX-ST-2018       

A few hours ago you were saying that was for CRS-14.  Is your current thought that CRS-14 won't need a new recovery permit for an expendable launch?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #23 on: 03/29/2018 04:34 pm »
Maybe an SES-12 recovery permit? It looks like a GTO landing and Bangabandhu already has one.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82665&RequestTimeout=1000

File number: 0211-EX-ST-2018       

A few hours ago you were saying that was for CRS-14.  Is your current thought that CRS-14 won't need a new recovery permit for an expendable launch?
I screwed up. When I originally was looking it over, I forgot to check the trajectories. This permit looks like a GTO recovery based on the coordinates of the droneship. Therefore, I am thinking SES-12.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #24 on: 03/29/2018 04:48 pm »
Maybe an SES-12 recovery permit? It looks like a GTO landing and Bangabandhu already has one.

https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=82665&RequestTimeout=1000

File number: 0211-EX-ST-2018       

A few hours ago you were saying that was for CRS-14.  Is your current thought that CRS-14 won't need a new recovery permit for an expendable launch?
I screwed up. When I originally was looking it over, I forgot to check the trajectories. This permit looks like a GTO recovery based on the coordinates of the droneship. Therefore, I am thinking SES-12.

That's what I've been assuming.  Not sure why the start date on this one doesn't quite match the start date on a launch permit, but doesn't necessarily matter.  I wish they'd just put mission numbers on these landing permits.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #25 on: 04/05/2018 05:11 pm »
The SES Annual Report is showing this as a H2 2018 launch, but Ben Cooper's site says May and he usually has good info.  We'll see what happens.

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HAWTHORNE, Calif. – April 5, 2018. Media accreditation is now open for SpaceX's SES-12 mission from Space Launch Complex 40 (SLC-40) at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. The launch is targeted for no earlier than May. 
 
A flight-proven Falcon 9 rocket will deliver SES-12 to a geostationary transfer orbit (GTO).
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #27 on: 04/12/2018 01:17 pm »
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Airbus reports SES-12, largest all-electric communications satellite, has shipped from France to Cape Canaveral for launch on Falcon 9, no date specified but targeted for mid-May.

https://twitter.com/flatoday_jdean/status/984413475127595008
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #28 on: 04/12/2018 01:30 pm »
Do we know (or suspect) which booster this is going on?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #29 on: 04/12/2018 01:37 pm »
There are currently two once-flown-to-LEO cores: 1040 (OTV-5/X-37B) and 1043 (Zuma). Since Matt Desch somehow confirmed that Iridium-6 is going to fly on Zuma core, the logical choice for SES-12 is 1040. This is not confirmed by any means, just an educated guess.
GO for launch, GO for age of reflight

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #30 on: 04/12/2018 02:10 pm »
Looks like it landed at 7:30am EDT this morning.  FlightAware shows Shuttle Landing Facility (TTS) and FlightRadar24 shows Titusville (TIX) as the destination?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #31 on: 04/12/2018 03:13 pm »
[SES] SES-12 Arrives at Cape Canaveral for SpaceX Launch
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SES-12, which has both traditional wide beams and high throughput capabilities, will meet diverse needs of fixed data, mobility, government and video customers across Asia-Pacific

Luxembourg, 12 April 2018 – The SES-12 spacecraft has arrived safely at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Florida, in preparation for launch on board a flight-proven SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket. 

SES-12, which is uniquely designed with both state-of-the-art wide beams and high throughput beams, will join SES-8 at 95 degrees East to serve SES video and data customers across the Asia-Pacific region. It will replace and augment services currently provided on NSS-6.

Like SES-14 and SES-15, which serve the Americas, SES-12’s high throughput capabilities are SES’s answer to soaring connectivity demand in the aeronautical and maritime segments in the Asia-Pacific region. SES-12 will also be pivotal in enabling governments that want to roll out connectivity programmes to bridge the digital divide and in allowing telcos, mobile network operators and internet service providers to deliver more reliable cellular backhaul and broadband services.
 
Together with SES-8, SES-12 will reach 18 million TV homes from its 95°E orbital position, and will provide pay-TV operators the reliability and scalability to deliver high-quality and immersive viewing experiences and address the ever-increasing audience demand for High Definition (HD) and Ultra HD content.

With six wide beams and 72 high throughput user spot beams, SES-12 is one of the largest geostationary satellites that SES has ever procured. The spacecraft also has a Digital Transparent Processor (DTP) that increases payload flexibility to provide much more customised bandwidth solutions to SES's customers. The all-electric SES-12 spacecraft was built by Airbus Defence and Space, and will rely fully on electric propulsion for orbit raising and subsequent in-orbit manoeuvres.

Martin Halliwell, Chief Technology Officer at SES said, “SES-12 was built to meet the dynamic needs of our customers across the Asia-Pacific region, and to empower them to capture massive growth opportunities in their markets. When co-located with SES-8, it will provide incremental high performance capacity and offer greater reliability and flexibility to our video and data customers.”

The SES-12 spacecraft will join SES’s network of seven geostationary satellites and 16 MEO satellites in the Asia-Pacific region to provide unparalleled coverage to over 20 countries.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #32 on: 04/12/2018 03:50 pm »
There are currently two once-flown-to-LEO cores: 1040 (OTV-5/X-37B) and 1043 (Zuma). Since Matt Desch somehow confirmed that Iridium-6 is going to fly on Zuma core, the logical choice for SES-12 is 1040. This is not confirmed by any means, just an educated guess.

The TESS core (1045.1) will also be available? Assuming they can turn it around in ~4 weeks.

Presumably the Bangabandhu-1 core (1046.1) will also be available, if they can turn it around even quicker.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #33 on: 04/12/2018 10:33 pm »
Anyone know if NOAA is going to allow public video broadcast from the 2nd stage cameras this time? Has SpaceX rec'd a permit from them to do so?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #34 on: 04/13/2018 12:09 am »
Anyone know if NOAA is going to allow public video broadcast from the 2nd stage cameras this time? Has SpaceX rec'd a permit from them to do so?

SpaceX said it wasn't an issue for this launch. Either they got the license, or it's not a requirement because it's a "NASA launch".

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #35 on: 04/13/2018 12:11 am »
Anyone know if NOAA is going to allow public video broadcast from the 2nd stage cameras this time? Has SpaceX rec'd a permit from them to do so?

SpaceX said it wasn't an issue for this launch. Either they got the license, or it's not a requirement because it's a "NASA launch".
Eh...this is the SES-12 thread.

Edit to add that indications from NOAA within the last week or so suggest they’ll have the proper license in place for the launches after TESS including the first Block 5 flight early in May.
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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #36 on: 04/13/2018 12:15 am »
Anyone know if NOAA is going to allow public video broadcast from the 2nd stage cameras this time? Has SpaceX rec'd a permit from them to do so?

SpaceX said it wasn't an issue for this launch. Either they got the license, or it's not a requirement because it's a "NASA launch".
Eh...this is the SES-12 thread.

Edit to add that indications from NOAA within the last week or so suggest they’ll have the proper license in place for the launches after TESS including the first Block 5 flight early in May.

Ha, maybe I should try reading :D

Anyway, if they got the license for TESS, they should almost certainly have one for SES-12. The NASA involvement doesn't seem to be important.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #37 on: 04/15/2018 06:03 pm »
Sounds like 1045 is reserved for CRS-15. So, 1040 or 1046 for this flight?

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #38 on: 04/15/2018 07:45 pm »
Sounds like 1045 is reserved for CRS-15. So, 1040 or 1046 for this flight?

I predict the interval between the first Block 5 flight and the first Block 5 reflight will be more than two weeks.

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Re: SpaceX Falcon 9 : SES-12 : June 4, 2018 : Discussion
« Reply #39 on: 04/15/2018 07:55 pm »
Sounds like 1045 is reserved for CRS-15. So, 1040 or 1046 for this flight?

I predict the interval between the first Block 5 flight and the first Block 5 reflight will be more than two weeks.
Yeah. I generally would agree. Seems likely it is 1040. The only thing that makes me think otherwise is that SES was the first to refly and might choose to be first for fast refly. Still, 1046 seems unlikely. I would think SpaceX will want to do some detailed inspections of this first Block 5 to ensure all of their fast refly tech works as intended.

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