Author Topic: Tianlian-2-02 - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (16:09 UTC)  (Read 8657 times)

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Re: ?? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021
« Reply #1 on: 12/03/2021 04:50 pm »
This launch is expected from Pad 3
Launches Seen: Atlas-V OA-7,


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Re: Tiānhuž-3 - CZ-3B - Xīchāng - December 13, 2021
« Reply #4 on: 12/04/2021 04:37 am »
Can you tell me which site can be a trusted source here?

With the Chinese lock down on space reporting, there is none, other than from official channels, who don't say anything until after the launch. However, any tweets or other sources you can find are useful, but you need to provide the link so that we can judge the reliability of the information. Wikipedia in general can't be trusted, but if they give a reference which verifies the information, then give the reference.
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Re: Tiānhuž-3 - CZ-3B - Xīchāng - December 13, 2021
« Reply #5 on: 12/04/2021 04:54 am »
Can you tell me which site can be a trusted source here?

With the Chinese lock down on space reporting, there is none, other than from official channels, who don't say anything until after the launch. However, any tweets or other sources you can find are useful, but you need to provide the link so that we can judge the reliability of the information. Wikipedia in general can't be trusted, but if they give a reference which verifies the information, then give the reference.
I used Wikipedia just to provide all CZ-3B is launched from Xīchāng, do you have any other site  to give us that information? I'd like to use it if you can share me

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Re: Tiānhuž-3 - CZ-3B - Xīchāng - December 13, 2021
« Reply #6 on: 12/04/2021 04:57 am »
I used Wikipedia just to provide all CZ-3B is launched from Xīchāng, do you have any other site  to give us that information? I'd like to use it if you can share me

Gunter's Space Page.

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/cz-3.htm
« Last Edit: 12/04/2021 04:59 am by Steven Pietrobon »
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Re: Tiānhuž-3 - CZ-3B - Xīchāng - December 13, 2021
« Reply #7 on: 12/04/2021 07:20 am »
I used Wikipedia just to provide all CZ-3B is launched from Xīchāng, do you have any other site  to give us that information? I'd like to use it if you can share me

Gunter's Space Page.

https://space.skyrocket.de/doc_lau/cz-3.htm
Well, I will use it as reference next time.

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021
« Reply #8 on: 12/05/2021 12:00 am »
Iím going to remove the payload from the title right now since I canít find whereís the source for that mention on Wikipedia. We know there are other satellites at Xichang (e.g. ChinaSat 6D) and it could be anything pending anything more concrete.
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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021
« Reply #9 on: 12/05/2021 01:33 pm »
A launch from Pad 3 at Xichang can also be a CZ-2C with Yaogan 30 triplet, not exclusively CZ-3B.

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021
« Reply #10 on: 12/07/2021 06:44 am »
Dec 11 through 16, 16:00-19:00 UTC daily:

P4490/21 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QXXXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2229N12642E029
A) RJJJ B) 2112111600 C) 2112161900
D) 1600/1900
E) DUE TO SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES,THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE AIRCRAFT IN
FOLLOWING AREAS MAY BE AFFECTED ON DEC 11-16, 2021.
DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
ON DEC 11, 2021 1600 - 16, 2021 1900 (UTC)
DLY 1600-1900 (UTC).
AREA:
N222700E1271222-N224507E1261720-N222949E1261131-N221142E1270625,
FOUR-POINT CONNECTION RANGE.
VERTICAL ALTITUDE: SFC-UNL
RMK/ATC WILL NOT CLEAR IFR FLT THRU THIS AREA FOR THE FLIGHT SAFETY.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Dec 2021 07:00:00
SOURCE: RJAAYNYX

Q3072/21 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QARCH/IV/BO/E/000/999/3310N14118E999
A) RJJJ B) 2112111600 C) 2112161900
D) 1600/1900
E) ALTN RTE ARE ESTABLISHED DUE TO SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES.
1.FLT PLANNED RTE IS REQ TO BE FILED AS FLW
 (1)A582     : SAKON-A582-BISIG
    ALTN RTE : SAKON-ALBAX-BISIG
 (2)DIRECT RTE:TUNTO-NIMOX-MAGMA
    ALTN RTE : TUNTO-ALBAX-MAGMA
2.SEE NOTAM RJAAYNYX P4490/21 (DOM RJJJ 7543/21)
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Dec 2021 07:05:00
SOURCE: RJAAYNYX

« Last Edit: 12/07/2021 06:45 am by Liss »
This message reflects my personal opinion based on open sources of information.

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021
« Reply #11 on: 12/07/2021 07:51 am »
Dec 11 through 16, 16:00-19:00 UTC daily:

P4490/21 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QXXXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/2229N12642E029
A) RJJJ B) 2112111600 C) 2112161900
D) 1600/1900
E) DUE TO SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES,THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE AIRCRAFT IN
FOLLOWING AREAS MAY BE AFFECTED ON DEC 11-16, 2021.
DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
ON DEC 11, 2021 1600 - 16, 2021 1900 (UTC)
DLY 1600-1900 (UTC).
AREA:
N222700E1271222-N224507E1261720-N222949E1261131-N221142E1270625,
FOUR-POINT CONNECTION RANGE.
VERTICAL ALTITUDE: SFC-UNL
RMK/ATC WILL NOT CLEAR IFR FLT THRU THIS AREA FOR THE FLIGHT SAFETY.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Dec 2021 07:00:00
SOURCE: RJAAYNYX

Q3072/21 NOTAMN
Q) RJJJ/QARCH/IV/BO/E/000/999/3310N14118E999
A) RJJJ B) 2112111600 C) 2112161900
D) 1600/1900
E) ALTN RTE ARE ESTABLISHED DUE TO SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES.
1.FLT PLANNED RTE IS REQ TO BE FILED AS FLW
 (1)A582     : SAKON-A582-BISIG
    ALTN RTE : SAKON-ALBAX-BISIG
 (2)DIRECT RTE:TUNTO-NIMOX-MAGMA
    ALTN RTE : TUNTO-ALBAX-MAGMA
2.SEE NOTAM RJAAYNYX P4490/21 (DOM RJJJ 7543/21)
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Dec 2021 07:05:00
SOURCE: RJAAYNYX

I think there will be two launches between 12/11~12/16, except 12/13 for CZ-3B, another might be KZ-1A Y16 on 12/16...

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 11, 2021 (~16:15 UTC)
« Reply #12 on: 12/08/2021 06:14 am »
Three regular NOTAMs for Chinese territory:

A3111/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2815N10202E006
A) ZPKM B) 2112131600 C) 2112131716
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N2815E10202
WITH RADIUS OF 10KM. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. ALL ACFT ARE
FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA.
F) GND G) UNL
CREATED: 08 Dec 2021 06:07:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A3112/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2718N10808E026
A) ZPKM B) 2112131600 C) 2112131721
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N272159E1083650-N273125E1074313-N271528E1073946-N270603E1083315
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL
CREATED: 08 Dec 2021 06:08:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A3113/21 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRTCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2603N11412E016
A) ZGZU ZSHA B) 2112131602 C) 2112131721
E) A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N260808E1142921-N261444E1140013-N255857E1135553-N255223E1142456
BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY
RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL.
F) GND G) UNL
CREATED: 08 Dec 2021 06:12:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

« Last Edit: 12/08/2021 06:15 am by Liss »
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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (~16:07 UTC)
« Reply #13 on: 12/08/2021 09:44 am »
Three regular NOTAMs for Chinese territory:

and one for 2nd stage debris over Pacific Ocean:

P4516/21 - DUE TO SPACEFLIGHT ACTIVITIES,THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE AIRCRAFT IN
FOLLOWING AREAS MAY BE AFFECTED ON DEC 13, 2021.
DETAILS ARE AS FOLLOWS:
ON DEC 13, 2021 1604-1726 (UTC).
AREA:
N222700E1271220-N224509E1261719-N222748E1261131-N221141E1270626,
FOUR-POINT CONNECTION RANGE.
VERTICAL ALTITUDE: SFC-UNL
RMK/ATC WILL NOT CLEAR IFR FLT THRU THIS AREA FOR THE FLIGHT SAFETY. SFC - UNL,
13 DEC 16:04 2021 UNTIL 13 DEC 17:26 2021. CREATED: 08 DEC 10:34 2021

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (~16:07 UTC)
« Reply #14 on: 12/10/2021 02:17 am »
The payload might be Tiantong-1 04 by Satellite (Smart) Phones in China

The paylaod also might be Fengyun-3F or Fengyun-4C translated from ď十四五Ē期间我国计划发射7颗风云气象卫星
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"At present, my country is one of the few countries and regions in the world that operate both geostationary meteorological satellites and polar-orbiting meteorological satellites." Cao Xiaozhong said that since 1988, my country has launched 19 meteorological satellites. Among them, 8 are in orbit, including 3 polar orbiting meteorological satellites and 5 stationary meteorological satellites. During the "14th Five-Year Plan" period, my country plans to launch 7 Fengyun meteorological satellites including Fengyun-3G, Fengyun-3F, and Fengyun-4C. Among them, there are 3 stationary meteorological satellites and 4 polar-orbiting meteorological satellites.
« Last Edit: 12/10/2021 04:21 am by mikezang »

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (~16:07 UTC)
« Reply #15 on: 12/10/2021 09:20 am »
The paylaod also might be Fengyun-3F or Fengyun-4C translated from ď十四五Ē期间我国计划发射7颗风云气象卫星
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"At present, my country is one of the few countries and regions in the world that operate both geostationary meteorological satellites and polar-orbiting meteorological satellites." Cao Xiaozhong said that since 1988, my country has launched 19 meteorological satellites. Among them, 8 are in orbit, including 3 polar orbiting meteorological satellites and 5 stationary meteorological satellites. During the "14th Five-Year Plan" period, my country plans to launch 7 Fengyun meteorological satellites including Fengyun-3G, Fengyun-3F, and Fengyun-4C. Among them, there are 3 stationary meteorological satellites and 4 polar-orbiting meteorological satellites.


Fengyun satellites with even number (eg Fengyun-4C) are geostationary while Fengyun satellites with odd numbers (eg Fengyun-3F) are on polar orbits

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (~16:07 UTC)
« Reply #16 on: 12/13/2021 04:12 am »
The Tianlian-2 01 was launched by CZ-3B of 301 times, this time is 401, it is said the payload might be Tianlian-2 02 from 天链二号01星成功发射二代数据中继卫星系统的首次亮相.
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It is understood that, according to the development plan of the Tianlian-2 satellite system, after the successful launch of the Tianlian-2 01 satellite, the subsequent development of the 02 and 03 satellites will be initiated to achieve joint network operation and continue to be in the field of space-based measurement and control and information transmission in my country. Play a bigger role.

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Re: ? - CZ-3B - Xichang - December 13, 2021 (~16:07 UTC)
« Reply #17 on: 12/13/2021 02:07 pm »

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The Tianlian-2 01 was launched by CZ-3B of 301 times, this time is 401, it is said the payload might be Tianlian-2 02 from 天链二号01星成功发射二代数据中继卫星系统的首次亮相.
Quote from: translated by Google
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It is understood that, according to the development plan of the Tianlian-2 satellite system, after the successful launch of the Tianlian-2 01 satellite, the subsequent development of the 02 and 03 satellites will be initiated to achieve joint network operation and continue to be in the field of space-based measurement and control and information transmission in my country. Play a bigger role.

This is BTW one insiderís way of hinting at whatís on top, hence this may be TL-2-02.
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