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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #120 on: 10/14/2020 03:12 pm »
I am hoping that France and Germany will be in the second round of countries. Bridenstine had mentionned that there were having discussions with 26 countries. So we should expect a second round of signatures at some point.

Quote from: Marcia Smith (on September 14th)
Bridenstine: just found there's rust on the Moon. We have so much to learn.  Everything comes together at the Moon. Unifies us as a nation, as a globe. 26 nations met w/us (pre-pandemic) to talk about cooperating with us on Artemis.

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1305520214696775682
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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #121 on: 10/14/2020 03:19 pm »
Marcia Smith makes a good point. The Artemis Accords will not be signed by ESA because it is an agreement between countries (as is the case for the IGA). But the related Artemis MOUs are likely to be signed by ESA (as is the case for the ISS MOUs).

Quote from: Marcia Smith
The Accords are bilateral agreements between governments, not agencies.  Just like the ISS IGA was signed by the 11 European governments, not ESA.

https://twitter.com/SpcPlcyOnline/status/1316185906601177088

Confirmed by ESA:

Quote from: ESA
The accords deal mainly with matters under the remit of individual countries, if they have bilateral agreements, so it is up to each Member State.

https://twitter.com/esa/status/1316397053493346306

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #122 on: 10/14/2020 03:37 pm »
See also below (although that is related to Gateway, not the Artemis Accords):

Quote from: ESA
ESA has negotiated a Memorandum of Understanding on the Gateway Cooperation with NASA, which was approved by Council and should be signed very shortly.

https://twitter.com/esa/status/1316394129446797312
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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #123 on: 10/14/2020 03:41 pm »
Quote from: Under Secretary Keith Krach
Congratulations on today's signing of the Artemis Accords. The U.S. is proud to help lead the free countries of the world to invest in space in a way that promotes our fundamental belief in democracy, rule of law, human rights, & economic value of fair trade & private enterprise.

https://twitter.com/State_E/status/1316182205689991168

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #124 on: 10/14/2020 04:10 pm »
BBC coverage.

The UK has just signed up to the Artemis Moon Program principles.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54530361

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #125 on: 10/14/2020 04:15 pm »
NASA and International Partners Sign Artemis Accords:


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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #126 on: 10/14/2020 07:23 pm »
Quote from: Simonetta Di Pippo from the UN
International cooperation in space more important than ever Drapeau des Nations Unies in these exciting new times for global  #SpaceExploration #CyberspaceIAC2020

https://twitter.com/SDiPippo_OOSA/status/1316279523403608064

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #127 on: 10/14/2020 10:44 pm »
Quote from: Chris Johnson
Real space law nerds will be tuning in to this discussion // Artemis Accords Volume II | The future of space governance - The Space Court Foundation

https://www.spacecourtfoundation.org/AAVol2/

https://twitter.com/ChrisJohnsonEsq/status/1316397466426765312

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #128 on: 10/15/2020 02:53 pm »
Space Thoughts: Update on The Artemis Accords by Michael Listner, Space Lawyer:



https://twitter.com/ponder68/status/1316747053159133184

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #129 on: 10/15/2020 04:49 pm »
Quote from: Mext Japan
On Wed., MEXT Minister Hagiuda and Minister of State for Space Policy Inoue signed the #ArtemisAccords with 7 countries at the virtual #IAC. The Accords are a political commitment to establish a shared vision for civil space exploration activities, including the #ArtemisProgram.

https://twitter.com/mextjapan/status/1316683243572224000

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #130 on: 10/19/2020 09:36 pm »
Quote from: Chris Johnson
Real space law nerds will be tuning in to this discussion // Artemis Accords Volume II | The future of space governance - The Space Court Foundation

https://www.spacecourtfoundation.org/AAVol2/

https://twitter.com/ChrisJohnsonEsq/status/1316397466426765312

Quote from: Space Court Foundation
Acting Associate Administrator for @NASA’s Office of International and Interagency Relations Mike Gold will join us at #AAVol2 on October 22, to follow-up discussion after our first event on the #Artemis Accords! Get your ticket for our online event! https://spacecourtfoundation.org/AAVol2/

https://twitter.com/spacecourtfdn/status/1318258111195512833

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #131 on: 10/20/2020 02:06 pm »
Quote from: NSC
“On behalf of President @realDonaldTrump, I am honored to invite Brazil to sign the Artemis Accords. These accords will guide the US, Brazil, and like-minded partners as we strengthen space exploration efforts for a prosperous future.” – NSA O’Brien

https://twitter.com/WHNSC/status/1318548775661686784

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #132 on: 10/20/2020 04:53 pm »

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #133 on: 10/21/2020 02:12 am »
Other than Russia, it seems to be speculation.

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #134 on: 10/21/2020 02:35 am »
I missed it last week but Jim Bridenstine and Mike Gold did a press conference on October 13th after the signing of the Artemis Accords:

Foreign Press Center Virtual Briefing on "International Participation in Artemis – An Update from NASA"
https://www.state.gov/briefings-foreign-press-centers/international-participation-in-artemis-an-update-from-nasa/
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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #135 on: 10/21/2020 02:45 am »
From the transcript posted above:

Quote from: Jim Bridenstine
And there’s more countries that we anticipate signing on even by the end of the year in a second tranche of nations that come and say, “Hey, we want to be part of the Artemis program.  We want to join onto the Artemis Accords,” and we’re very excited about that next tranche.  There is room for more.
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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #136 on: 10/21/2020 03:26 am »
On the issue of Russian participation in Artemis:

Quote from: Jim Bridenstine
I would also say that yesterday when we had our plenary with the heads of space agencies, Dmitry Rogozin mentioned he wants to make sure he has – when he has a Russian capsule that’s going to the Moon, he wants to make sure that it can dock with the Gateway.  And I’m here to tell you that we are taking what we have learned from the International Space Station, and we are creating those docking standards. [...]

We’re trying to create the most open, transparent architecture in history.  That is enshrined in the Artemis Accords, so we remain hopeful that Russia will join us in the Artemis program and, of course, adhere to the very basic tenants that we have all agreed to in the Outer Space Treaty.   

I would also say when we think about the Gateway specifically, it in fact does use the intergovernmental agreement that we have been working under with the International Space Station Program.   

Now, that intergovernmental agreement, we are going to apply it to the Moon.  And so I think that there’s a lot of precedent in how our nations can work together under these types of governance frameworks.  And we would welcome to the opportunity to receive what Russia might be willing to contribute to the program, and certainly invite them to share with us what their thoughts are because we do value them as a partner and we hope they value us as a partner, as has been perfectly exemplified now for 20 years on the International Space Station.

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #137 on: 10/21/2020 10:11 am »
It seems not every country is so enthusiastic about signing up to these.

https://theconversation.com/artemis-accords-why-many-countries-are-refusing-to-sign-moon-exploration-agreement-148134

I saw that article but didn't post the link, the article lacks substance or insight. In particular, I don't think we can assume that countries that have not signed to date are refusing to sign, the logic doesn't follow. The only country that has expressed doubt is Russia, but I don't think Rogozin has ruled it out forever.

Also the article concludes with a false dichotomy, namely that countries that don't sign up to Artemis will "miss out on being the first to use the resources of the Moon". Clearly, they would not benefit directly from Artemis, but there is absolutely nothing to stop them doing the same thing if they have not signed up. All they need to do is pass their own version of the Space Act.
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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #138 on: 10/21/2020 10:24 am »
Article is sloppy and poorly documented. It devotes a paragraph to a signature by ESA although Marcia Smith has very well explained that ESA as an international organization cannot sign the Accords. And btw ESA will sign a MoU soon.

Plus it does not resist the temptation to take a jab at ESA

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the lengthy consultation of the 17 member states

although Wikipedia could have told that ESA has 22 member states.

And ESA is not that slow since Orion ESM, ESPRIT and IHAB have been approved a long time ago.
« Last Edit: 10/21/2020 10:28 am by hektor »

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Re: Artemis Accords
« Reply #139 on: 10/21/2020 11:58 am »
I see criticism of the article but no one has answered to the fact that when it states China is unable to enter into these accords due to US political will alone then it is perfectly correct.
« Last Edit: 10/21/2020 11:58 am by Star One »

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