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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2580 on: 06/05/2024 11:57 am »
Maybe the current Dream Chaser program is the wiser one instead of going straight for a crewed flight. Boeing had to jump straight to Crewed flight, and it didn't go well, while SpaceX flew uncrewed Dragon first and succeeded brilliantly. I'm not saying that is the only reason for Boeing's troubles.

OFT-1 was no different than a cargo mission.  Its problems were independent of any crew support systems.

Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2581 on: 06/08/2024 05:40 am »
Maybe the current Dream Chaser program is the wiser one instead of going straight for a crewed flight. Boeing had to jump straight to Crewed flight, and it didn't go well, while SpaceX flew uncrewed Dragon first and succeeded brilliantly. I'm not saying that is the only reason for Boeing's troubles.

OFT-1 was no different than a cargo mission.  Its problems were independent of any crew support systems.
Yes, but now we have a third mission with bugs still.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2582 on: 06/12/2024 11:08 am »
How long can dreamchaser stay alot if something is wrong with the shooting star module? as in not getting any power from he arrays

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2583 on: 06/12/2024 09:37 pm »
Maybe the current Dream Chaser program is the wiser one instead of going straight for a crewed flight. Boeing had to jump straight to Crewed flight, and it didn't go well, while SpaceX flew uncrewed Dragon first and succeeded brilliantly. I'm not saying that is the only reason for Boeing's troubles.

OFT-1 was no different than a cargo mission.  Its problems were independent of any crew support systems.
Yes, but now we have a third mission with bugs still.
Still doesn't  matter whether it was crew or not.

Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2584 on: 06/14/2024 05:57 am »
Maybe the current Dream Chaser program is the wiser one instead of going straight for a crewed flight. Boeing had to jump straight to Crewed flight, and it didn't go well, while SpaceX flew uncrewed Dragon first and succeeded brilliantly. I'm not saying that is the only reason for Boeing's troubles.

OFT-1 was no different than a cargo mission.  Its problems were independent of any crew support systems.
Yes, but now we have a third mission with bugs still.
Still doesn't  matter whether it was crew or not.
I assume the crewed flights must meet extra standards. Doesn't crewed flights also have to meet tighter standards?

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2585 on: 07/13/2024 06:43 pm »
FAA announced publication of a new Draft EA and invited comments from interested parties (by August 9, 2024).

Sierra Space at Shuttle Landing Facility and Vandenberg Space Force Base Proposed Operations
Last updated: Friday, July 12, 2024
https://www.faa.gov/space/stakeholder_engagement/Sierra_at_SLF_VSFB

Sierra Space is applying to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for a Vehicle Operator License to land its Dream Chaser vehicle at the Shuttle Landing Facility (SLF) and Vandenberg Space Force Base (VSFB) to provide payload and cargo return services to potential government and private sector users. […]

2021 Draft EA Public Review and Comment
The FAA previously published the Draft Environmental Assessment for Sierra Space Dream Chaser Operator License at the Shuttle Landing Facility, Brevard County, Florida (Draft EA) for public review and comment on December 21, 2021. The Draft EA analyzed Sierra Space Corporation’s proposed reentry operations of its Dream Chaser vehicle at the SLF. Due to updates to Sierra Space’s Vehicle Operator License application, the FAA is publishing a revised Draft EA for public review.

2024 Revised Draft EA Public Review and Comment
Since the 2021 Draft EA, Sierra Space Corporation added a proposal for contingency reentry (landing) operations at VSFB in Santa Barbara County, California. Sierra Space plans to reenter the Dream Chaser at the SLF; however, if the Dream Chaser is unable to safely reenter and land at the SLF, but could safely land in another location, Sierra Space would conduct a reentry at VSFB. The FAA prepared a Revised Draft EA, which includes an analysis of Sierra Space reentry operations at Vandenberg Space Force Base and addresses all comments received on the 2021 Draft EA.

The FAA is announcing the availability of the Draft EA for Sierra Space Dream Chaser Vehicle Operator License at the Shuttle Landing Facility, Brevard County, Florida and Contingency Reentry Site at Vandenberg Space Force Base, Santa Barbara County, California.

An electronic version of the Draft EA is available on this website for download here.
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The FAA invites interested parties to submit comments on any aspect of this Draft EA. All public comments should be sent to [email protected] or by postal mail to: Ms. Chelsea Clarkson, Sierra Space at SLF and VSFB, c/o ICF, 1902 Reston Metro Plaza, Reston, VA 20190. The public comment period for the Draft EA will close on August 9, 2024.



Copies of both 2021 and 2024 Draft Environmental Assessments are attached.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2586 on: 07/13/2024 06:46 pm »
Man, I don't get why there needs to be environmental impact statements and EAs for frakking everything. A plane landing at an existing airport?? It's just a glider for goodness sake. I don't think this massively expanded scope was envisioned when Congress first authorized this stuff.
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2587 on: 07/13/2024 09:24 pm »



Man, I don't get why there needs to be environmental impact statements and EAs for frakking everything. A plane landing at an existing airport?? It's just a glider for goodness sake. I don't think this massively expanded scope was envisioned when Congress first authorized this stuff.

You REALLY want to get worked up about Cali-insanity?
https://www.avweb.com/features/the-pilots-lounge-96-bureaucrats-or-radium-dials-which-poses-a-greater-danger/
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2588 on: 07/14/2024 03:32 am »



Man, I don't get why there needs to be environmental impact statements and EAs for frakking everything. A plane landing at an existing airport?? It's just a glider for goodness sake. I don't think this massively expanded scope was envisioned when Congress first authorized this stuff.

You REALLY want to get worked up about Cali-insanity?

You realize the SLF isn't in California, right?

Having a "glider" pass through the national airspace without a pilot, without control of ATC, at far higher speeds and steeper decent rates and angles than any airplane and with unusual chemicals potentially on board warrants some care.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2589 on: 07/14/2024 09:26 am »



Man, I don't get why there needs to be environmental impact statements and EAs for frakking everything. A plane landing at an existing airport?? It's just a glider for goodness sake. I don't think this massively expanded scope was envisioned when Congress first authorized this stuff.

You REALLY want to get worked up about Cali-insanity?

You realize the SLF isn't in California, right?

Having a "glider" pass through the national airspace without a pilot, without control of ATC, at far higher speeds and steeper decent rates and angles than any airplane and with unusual chemicals potentially on board warrants some care.


Yup, but unless I’m reading this wrong, the application is now for the SLF and Vandy.

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Sierra Space is applying to the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) for a Vehicle Operator License to land its Dream Chaser vehicle at the Shuttle Landing Facility (SLF) and Vandenberg Space Force Base (VSFB) to provide payload and cargo return services to potential government and private sector users.


2024 Revised Draft EA Public Review and Comment[/size]Since the 2021 Draft EA, Sierra Space Corporation added a proposal for contingency reentry (landing) operations at VSFB in Santa Barbara County, California. Sierra Space plans to reenter the Dream Chaser at the SLF; however, if the Dream Chaser is unable to safely reenter and land at the SLF, but could safely land in another location, Sierra Space would conduct a reentry at VSFB. The FAA prepared a Revised Draft EA, which includes an analysis of Sierra Space reentry operations at Vandenberg Space Force Base and addresses all comments received on the 2021 Draft EA.





 
[/size]Man, I don't get why there needs to be environmental impact statements and EAs for frakking everything. A plane landing at an existing airport?? It's just a glider for goodness sake. I don't think this massively expanded scope was envisioned when Congress first authorized this stuff.[/size]


WRT to California’s distrust of authority and overabundance of EIRs, some of it can be traced back to this:  https://www.sonomamag.com/how-bodega-head-almost-ended-up-with-a-nuclear-power-plant/


Yeah, it’s a bit OT, but it’s also a pretty good read about why EIS came about.
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2590 on: 07/14/2024 11:37 am »
Doesn't matter if the strip is in California or Texas: they need to apply for a re-entry license from the FAA, which means NEPA kicks in at a federal level.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2591 on: 07/15/2024 08:57 pm »
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2592 on: 08/19/2024 03:57 pm »
Sierra Space's Dream Chaser space plane to use new Kennedy Space Center prep facility

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Early next year, crews should break ground on a half-million-square-foot spacecraft processing facility at NASA's Kennedy Space Center that will prep Sierra Space's uncrewed Dream Chaser space plane before and after takeoff into orbit.

All Points Logistics, a Merritt Island-based company, announced the partnership with Sierra Space to accommodate Dream Chaser pre-launch payload integration, checkout, launch vehicle integration and other ground-based services.

All Points hopes to build and open its 150-foot-tall spacecraft complex in 2026 on 60 acres south of NASA's Vehicle Assembly Building.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2593 on: 08/19/2024 09:04 pm »
Sierra Space's Dream Chaser space plane to use new Kennedy Space Center prep facility

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All Points hopes to build and open its 150-foot-tall spacecraft complex in 2026 on 60 acres south of NASA's Vehicle Assembly Building.

Interestingly, the Amazon Project Kuiper satellite production building looks similar in design, although smaller than the newly envisioned "SpacePrep" building. 
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2594 on: 08/21/2024 04:11 pm »
Sierra is going to tow a Dream Chaser down the SLF runway on a trailer.

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Explanation Taxi Tow Testing of Sierra Space Corporations Dream Chaser Space Plane ahead of its first mission to the International Space Station (ISS) for Cargo delivery and return.

Purpose of Operation Transmissions from a mobile Ground Station during Tow/taxi test demonstration of multi-system performance over a range of speeds and braking profiles of the Dream Chaser spacecraft.

Operation Start Date:   09/14/2024
Operation End Date:   12/01/2024

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2595 on: 08/22/2024 10:26 pm »
Noticed the Dream Chaser Payload Users Guide was uploaded in July.

Some interesting info, e.g. expected duration at the ISS of up to 75 days.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2596 on: 08/27/2024 03:20 pm »
https://x.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1828443446446592024
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Our Shooting Star cargo module is equipped with six aft-pointing thrusters. Following separation during launch, these thrusters serve as the primary propulsion mechanism until Dream Chaser is maneuvered and aligned with the @Space_Station.


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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2597 on: 09/04/2024 08:45 pm »
-Ref the acoustic testing of the Shooting Star module, it this a normal procedure? I don't recall hearing about it being done for other spacecraft.

This makes me think not.
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ARS used a total of 48 acoustic devices during the cargo module testing. The company’s Neutron™ System is an industry first, consisting of proprietary, purpose-built acoustic devices made for high-output aerospace acoustic testing. ARS will be using an even larger setup for Sierra Space’s Dream Chaser spaceplane; the impending test will be the largest payload ever tested with DFAN.
https://www.sierraspace.com/press-releases/sierra-space-shooting-star-cargo-module-completes-acoustic-testing-at-nasas-kennedy-space-center/



-I wonder if the speakers were tuned (if there is such a thing) to the acoustics of the Vulcan? I imagine different LVs have different acoustics, Saturn V vs Shuttle vs F9, both because of the type of propulsion (I'm thinking more of the Shuttle's SRBs vs a liquid engine), and because of the distance from the payload to the engines.

TIA


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During Shooting Star's acoustic test, the team placed stacks of purpose-built loudspeakers – each one a highly-engineered acoustic device – in 21-ft-tall columns surrounding the spacecraft. A total of 48 acoustic devices were used during testing.

https://x.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1831360483934536096
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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2598 on: 09/04/2024 08:59 pm »
-Ref the acoustic testing of the Shooting Star module, it this a normal procedure? I don't recall hearing about it being done for other spacecraft.

This makes me think not.

Its pretty common, check out MSI DFAT's photos (e.g. Crew Dragon).

There was an interesting Off Nominal episode about acoustic testing.

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Re: Sierra Space Dream Chaser DISCUSSION Thread (was SNC)
« Reply #2599 on: 09/04/2024 09:02 pm »
COOL! Thanks.

-Ref the acoustic testing of the Shooting Star module, it this a normal procedure? I don't recall hearing about it being done for other spacecraft.

This makes me think not.

Its pretty common, check out MSI DFAT's photos (e.g. Crew Dragon).

There was an interesting Off Nominal episode about acoustic testing.


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