Instead, Sonny has funding and Woodward does not. That is a real scientific tragedy.
I am chasing the truth. I have just done the diligence and know that White and Shawyer and 15 other nuts are wrong. That stuff is all wishful thinking that has no part in science.
Nordtvedt effect, is this needed for Mach effects?
his work can trivially be shown to be inconsistent with Einstein.
Quote from: Ron Stahl on 11/24/2014 09:34 pmI am chasing the truth. I have just done the diligence and know that White and Shawyer and 15 other nuts are wrong. That stuff is all wishful thinking that has no part in science.I find it incredibly interesting how you're calling White and others 'nuts', but somehow don't extend that to Woodward et al. If you've concluded that Sonny's work is pseudo-scientific nonsense, then you must also cede that Woodward is not far behind. He's just about as fringe and his work can trivially be shown to be inconsistent with Einstein. IMO, there's only two options here. You can either take the rational and physically justified position that all of this stuff is nonsense and will never work, or you can take the position that there's some possible validity to all these fringe projects and just wait and see the results. You can't just attack certain approaches, and glorify others, despite the fact the two approaches are on the same scientific footing. Well, you can, if you have an agenda and are not interested in what actually will work.
I'm sorry, but are you seriously telling me I'm not entitled to make rational judgements about what is crackpot and what is not? I need to just accept it all for whatever crazy reason? How is that science based? Science REQUIRES we make these judgements.
And there is nothing inconsistent with Einstein in Woodward's work. You simply don't know what you're talking about.
I remember that Mach and Einstein ended up being at odds. Mach never accepted Einstein's theory. Check for yourself.
Woodward's theory is usually referred to as Mach Effect theory, and in fact if Mach's Principle (the name coined by Einstein) is not correct, Woodward's theory is utterly mistaken. All of his work depends upon it being correct.
Nordtvedt effect, is this needed for Mach effects? I see reference to it in Woodward's book.
A freak wormhole opened in the fabric of the space-time continuum and carried your words far far back in time across almost infinite reaches of space to a distant galaxy where strange and warlike beings were poised on the brink of frightful interstellar battle. The two opposing leaders were meeting for the last time. A dreadful silence fell across the conference table as the commander of the Vl'Hurgs, resplendent in his black jeweled battle shorts, gazed levelly at the G'Gugvunt leader squatting opposite him in a cloud of green, sweet-smelling steam. As a million sleek and horribly beweaponed star cruisers poised to unleash electric death at his single word of command, the Vl'Hurg challenged his vile enemy to take back what it had said about his mother. The creature stirred in its sickly broiling vapour, and at that very moment the words drifted across the conference table. Unfortunately, in the Vl'hurg tongue this was the most dreadful insult imaginable, and there was nothing for it but to wage terrible war for centuries. Eventually the error was detected, but over two hundred and fifty thousand worlds, their peoples and cultures perished in the holocaust. You have destroyed most of a small galaxy. Please pick your words with greater care.