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SLS Artemis IV progress
« on: 10/11/2022 06:09 pm »
https://twitter.com/nasa_marshall/status/1579894057433645056

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The forward skirt for #Artemis IV's @NASA_SLS rocket is moving on to the next stage of production at #NASAMichoud . 🚀

The hardware houses flight computers, cameras, and avionics systems for the SLS rocket.

Learn more HERE>> https://www.nasa.gov/exploration/systems/sls/index.html

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #1 on: 10/12/2022 03:19 pm »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #2 on: 11/22/2022 01:40 am »
Additional images of manufactured components for the SLS rocket earmarked for the Artemis IV launch can be found here:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54243.msg2338963#msg2338963

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #3 on: 11/22/2022 02:05 am »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
Based on Artemis 1, the bigger concern may stacking the Artemis-IV SRBs too early before a bona fide launch window can be set.
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #4 on: 11/22/2022 02:46 am »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
Based on Artemis 1, the bigger concern may stacking the Artemis-IV SRBs too early before a bona fide launch window can be set.
NASA's tentative targeting of 2027 for the launch of Artemis 4 is fluid and is subject to change depending on how smoothly progress is made in final assembly of the SLS rocket planned for the Artemis 2 mission but also whether the ML-2 mobile launch platform is ever completed, given that Artemis 4 will be the first flight of the SLS Block 1B version. Some people think that it would have been better off if a TEL-like vehicle had been designed for the SLS Block 1B rather than ML-2 given the cost overruns and weight issues plaguing the ML-2 itself because a TEL-type mobile launcher for the SLS Block 1B would travel a bit faster than the ML-1 or ML-2.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #5 on: 11/22/2022 02:53 am »
You would have to completely ditch the VAB and crawlers to do a TEL. It's not a simple matter.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #6 on: 11/22/2022 03:09 am »
You would have to completely ditch the VAB and crawlers to do a TEL. It's not a simple matter.
The Mobile Launcher used for the SLS is indeed the slowest-ever mobile launch platform for an SLV, reaching a top speed of 1 mile per hour. The unsuccessful N1 rocket was transported to its launch pad by a railroad-based vehicle.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #7 on: 11/22/2022 03:36 am »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
I think the rocket was stacked on the mobile launcher. The pieces may sit in a warehouse, but the mobile launcher must be complete before they can actually build (stack) the rocket. In effect, it's already in a "deep teardown" state until it begins stacking.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #8 on: 11/22/2022 02:34 pm »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
I think the rocket was stacked on the mobile launcher. The pieces may sit in a warehouse, but the mobile launcher must be complete before they can actually build (stack) the rocket. In effect, it's already in a "deep teardown" state until it begins stacking.
The Artemis IV mission, as I've explained already in this thread, is a long way off in terms of a tentative launch window, so I agree that the ML-2 may have to be either completed or redesigned with wheels rather than caterpillar tracks.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #9 on: 11/22/2022 03:12 pm »
You would have to completely ditch the VAB and crawlers to do a TEL. It's not a simple matter.
The Mobile Launcher used for the SLS is indeed the slowest-ever mobile launch platform for an SLV, reaching a top speed of 1 mile per hour. The unsuccessful N1 rocket was transported to its launch pad by a railroad-based vehicle.
It's still not a simple matter to switch from CTs(Crawler Transporters) to TE(Transporter Erectors). When the 2 always fully fueled, SLS boosters alone make up  3,200,000lbs/1,451,495kg of the entire Artemis-1 stack weight of over 3,500,000 pounds/1,587,573kg, that sort of weight is something that the N-1 TE simply didn't have to deal with.

Top speed loaded can be 1mph, though that speed was not reached during loaded Arty-1 crawler ops.  IIRC The top loaded speed was 0.837mph.  Unloaded the CT/ML combos move much faster-approx. 2mph.
We all know that the Soviet N-1 was rail based and that US Saturn through SLS are crawler based, basically the result horizontal vs. vertical integration.
The difference in speed between the TEs and CTs are inconsequential.  The weight issue is from the Stage and a half to orbit using solid boosters configuration, the combined weight is eating into NASA's safety margin.


Mobile Launch Platform and
Space Shuttle...........................................12.6 million pounds
Mobile Launcher Platform ........................9.87 million pounds
ML-1.................................Approximately 11.3 million pounds
Artemis I launch vehicle .....Approximately 3.5 million pounds
Load Capacity .................Able to transport 18 million pounds
(or the weight of more than 20 fully loaded 777 airplanes
Source: NASA
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #10 on: 11/22/2022 03:20 pm »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
I think the rocket was stacked on the mobile launcher. The pieces may sit in a warehouse, but the mobile launcher must be complete before they can actually build (stack) the rocket. In effect, it's already in a "deep teardown" state until it begins stacking.
The Artemis IV mission, as I've explained already in this thread, is a long way off in terms of a tentative launch window, so I agree that the ML-2 may have to be either completed or redesigned with wheels rather than caterpillar tracks.
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What other choice is there?  Dan is stating that the ML must be completed before ANY stacking ops can begin.  You are the only person I've read about thinking a TE(Transporter Erector) is a viable solution over Crawler Transporter(CT).
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #11 on: 11/22/2022 03:56 pm »
Considering that ML2 had been significantly delayed what are the chances that this rocket will be completed years ahead of time and just sit dormant in a warehouse to gather dust? Do they have a shelf life before it needs a deep teardown for inspection?
I think the rocket was stacked on the mobile launcher. The pieces may sit in a warehouse, but the mobile launcher must be complete before they can actually build (stack) the rocket. In effect, it's already in a "deep teardown" state until it begins stacking.
The Artemis IV mission, as I've explained already in this thread, is a long way off in terms of a tentative launch window, so I agree that the ML-2 may have to be either completed or redesigned with wheels rather than caterpillar tracks.
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What other choice is there?  Dan is stating that the ML must be completed before ANY stacking ops can begin.  You are the only person I've read about thinking a TE(Transporter Erector) is a viable solution over Crawler Transporter(CT).
As I've said, Bechtel at the moment is taking its time working out some weight-related quirks with the ML-2, knowing that the SLS Block 1B won't be available for a few years, even though umbilical hardware has already arrived for eventual incorporation into the ML-2.

As a side note, something caught my eye regarding this SpaceNews news item about Artemis 4:
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The Artemis 4 schedule will also depend on the readiness of the I-Hab module, being developed by Europe and Japan, and the SLS Block 1B itself.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #13 on: 02/07/2023 08:58 am »
More (non-HLS, thankfully SLS is the slow, long pole ::) ) hardware for EM-IV.
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #14 on: 02/10/2023 02:38 am »
Quote from: NASA Orion
Transport time!🚚

The pressure vessel for #Artemis IV is ready to ship from Michoud Assembly Facility to @NASAKennedy, where it will become the third Orion spacecraft to carry crew to the Moon

https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/1623436225360318465

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #15 on: 02/10/2023 03:58 am »
Quote from: NASA Orion
Transport time!🚚

The pressure vessel for #Artemis IV is ready to ship from Michoud Assembly Facility to @NASAKennedy, where it will become the third Orion spacecraft to carry crew to the Moon

https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/1623436225360318465
Wow. Surprising to see the pressure vessel for the Orion spacecraft earmarked for Artemis IV getting ready for shipment to Kennedy Space Center regardless of that mission being a long way off.

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #16 on: 02/12/2023 01:44 pm »
Quote from: NASA Orion
Transport time!🚚

The pressure vessel for #Artemis IV is ready to ship from Michoud Assembly Facility to @NASAKennedy, where it will become the third Orion spacecraft to carry crew to the Moon

https://twitter.com/NASA_Orion/status/1623436225360318465
Wow. Surprising to see the pressure vessel for the Orion spacecraft earmarked for Artemis IV getting ready for shipment to Kennedy Space Center regardless of that mission being a long way off.

Just goes to show that if they really wanted to they could speed up construction significantly.  Most of the delays is all due to mismanagement, funding and bureaucratic red tape

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #17 on: 02/12/2023 02:07 pm »

Just goes to show that if they really wanted to they could speed up construction significantly.  Most of the delays is all due to mismanagement, funding and bureaucratic red tape

wrong on two of those items

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #18 on: 02/12/2023 09:37 pm »

Just goes to show that if they really wanted to they could speed up construction significantly.  Most of the delays is all due to mismanagement, funding and bureaucratic red tape

wrong on two of those items

Mismanagement is right but funding and bureaucratic red tape are wrong?

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« Reply #19 on: 02/14/2023 02:17 am »

The slow schedule has been due to, among other things, mismanagement and red tape but not funding.  The program got more budget than it requested every year.
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #20 on: 02/16/2023 06:34 pm »

Just goes to show that if they really wanted to they could speed up construction significantly.  Most of the delays is all due to mismanagement, funding and bureaucratic red tape

wrong on two of those items

You didn't say which two.  How about clarifying?
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #21 on: 02/16/2023 11:20 pm »
Quote from: Howard Hu
#Artemis IV @NASA_Orion crew module pressure vessel arrives at @NASA_Kennedy. Our spacecraft factory is in full swing with 3 Orion vehicles being prepared to carry humans to the Moon.

https://twitter.com/HowardHuNASA/status/1626262475761917952

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« Reply #22 on: 02/17/2023 04:18 am »
Quote from: NASA OIG
Development, integration, and operation of NASA space flight systems will become more complex and expensive beginning with the fourth #Artemis mission.  Today we are announcing an audit examining NASA’s management of these missions beginning with Artemis IV.

https://twitter.com/NASAOIG/status/1626201199715446784

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« Reply #23 on: 03/13/2023 07:01 pm »
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #26 on: 12/11/2023 07:51 pm »

"On CS-4, which will fly with the Artemis IV vehicle, the two lead elements of the previous core stage builds — the engine section and the intertank — are progressing toward structural completion. Shipment of the engine section structure to KSC is planned for early 2024, with the issues that have been encountered finishing the last welds for the Artemis III core stage having been factored into the overall production plan.

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The intertank thrust beam and panels for CS-4 are being bolted together in the structural assembly jig adjacent to its counterpart for Core Stage-3. “Based on when intertank CS-3 completes [is] when you transfer the full force over to CS-4. Obviously, CS-4 has got to go get ‘TPS-ed,’ so it’ll be in the processing cells for a while getting that [work] completed before it comes back for integration.”

The need date for CS-4 will be driven by the development and construction of the new elements for Artemis IV. This will be the first flight of the SLS Block 1B vehicle with the new Exploration Upper Stage (EUS) currently in development and a new Mobile Launcher which is being constructed at KSC to support the longer, upgraded Block 1B rocket."

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2023/12/final-assembly-sls-core/
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #27 on: 04/14/2024 11:29 pm »
https://twitter.com/NASA_SLS/status/1779525025382404171

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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #28 on: 04/16/2024 09:23 pm »
First-of-its-kind SLS Payload Adapter Finishes Assembly at NASA Marshall



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Apr 16, 2024  #Artemis #NASA #SLS
Teams at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama, completed a new payload adapter test article and readied it for structural testing, set to begin later this spring. This marks a critical milestone on the journey to the hardware’s debut on the upgraded Block 1B configuration of NASA’s SLS (Space Launch System) rocket with Artemis IV. The composite payload adapter is an evolution from the Orion stage adapter used in the Block 1 configuration of the first three Artemis missions.
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Re: SLS Artemis IV progress
« Reply #29 on: 09/08/2024 11:50 am »
Cross-Post from Artemis II Update thread - Artemis IV parts showned.

Philip Sloss Update:

What do these Orion and SLS hardware deliveries say about Artemis II, III launch dates?

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Sep 8, 2024
The arrival this past week of new Orion and SLS flight hardware at Kennedy Space Center for Artemis II, III, and IV is a reminder of the uncertain launch schedule.  This video covers those deliveries, of the Artemis II SLS Launch Vehicle Stage Adapter, Artemis II Orion European Service Module, and SLS Core Stage engine section hardware for Artemis III and IV.

Artemis II is scheduled for launch only one year from this month, and most of the SLS hardware for Artemis II is now in and around the Vehicle Assembly Building.  In this video, we also cover plans and preparations for the launch campaign in the second part of an interview with Exploration Ground Systems senior vehicle operations manager Cliff Lanham.

Meanwhile, the next milestones for that newly-delivery hardware are known in general, but when those and other Artemis III milestones will happen is harder to see.  We go over the cloudy forecast and other Artemis III takeaways from the late August NASA Advisory Council meeting here, too.

Imagery is courtesy of NASA, except where noted.

00:00 Intro
02:13 A week of Orion and SLS flight hardware deliveries to KSC
03:00 ESM-3 arrives in Orion final assembly at KSC
04:21 Core Stage engine section hardware packaged for shipment at MAF
06:45 Offloading SLS triple shipment from Pegasus at KSC
09:12 EGS senior manager Cliff Lanham talks to the podcast about Artemis II launch plans
10:13 Improving launch availability with contingency pad access capability
18:36 Artemis II pad flow from rollout to launch
20:35 Integrating the astronaut crew ingress of Orion into the launch countdown
24:05 Artemis III takeaways from NASA Exploration public report in NASA Advisory Council meeting
25:12 "At least" one uncrewed HLS lunar landing demonstration?
25:53 Outlook for the future remains cloudy only two years from Artemis III launch date
27:55 Thanks for watching!
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« Reply #30 on: 03/19/2025 08:08 pm »
https://images.nasa.gov/details/MAF_20250131_CS4_FSoutVAC01

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This image shows teams at NASA’s Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans lifting a forward skirt out of its vertical assembly center on Jan. 31, 2025. The forward skirt, which will be used on the core stage for the agency’s SLS (Space Launch System) rocket for its Artemis IV mission, houses flight computers, cameras, and avionics. While inside the vertical assembly center, technicians attached the forward skirt’s forward and aft rings, which serve as attachments points to the launch vehicle stage adapter and the liquid oxygen tank, respectively.

 

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