Just out of curiosity and I might already know the answer but why is ITS not included? I am assuming because it has no set timeline yet per say.
Here is the latest timeline I was able to find:
Quote from: FinalFrontier on 06/15/2017 09:57 pmJust out of curiosity and I might already know the answer but why is ITS not included? I am assuming because it has no set timeline yet per say.This is actually a very good question. ITS is in about the same stage of development as NG and Vulcan-ACES, with main propulsion testing and structural development, and is currently planned for first flight around the same time. Ed?
Seriously, Elon Musk worth is 17 billion. With Model 3 production could easily achieve over 50 billion and you are saying ITS is not funded. He is crazy about Mars for 20 years and risked everything that he owned to build Spacex. ITS first wave will cost under ~10 billion, in 10 years with SpaceX yearly profit and Tesla stock, he could easy to achieve first stage build camp and infrastructure to return ITS back to Earth.Why you underestimated him for 20 years.He was and is only hope that I will see Mars landing in my lifetime. Why so much space enthusiast hope he will fail. Do you understand he is beating company in most competitive branch auto industry?Space launch industry is mostly still 60ies.
Quote from: envy887 on 06/16/2017 01:41 amQuote from: FinalFrontier on 06/15/2017 09:57 pmJust out of curiosity and I might already know the answer but why is ITS not included? I am assuming because it has no set timeline yet per say.This is actually a very good question. ITS is in about the same stage of development as NG and Vulcan-ACES, with main propulsion testing and structural development, and is currently planned for first flight around the same time. Ed?ITS was an interesting presentation. I don't see it as a funded development effort at this point, while the others on my list are serious, funded development efforts as near as I can determine. Musk himself said that major government funding was needed for the ITS as it was presented.
ITS was an interesting presentation. I don't see it as a funded development effort at this point
while the others on my list are serious, funded development efforts as near as I can determine.
Musk himself said that major government funding was needed for the ITS as it was presented.
There are also many people in the private sector who are interested in helping to fund a base on Mars, and perhaps there will be interest on the government sector side to do that too. Ultimately, this is going to be a huge public–private partnership.
I should also add that the main reason I am personally accumulating assets is in order to fund this. I really do not have any other motivation for personally accumulating assets except to be able to make the biggest contribution I can to making life multi-planetary.
Quote from: envy887 on 06/15/2017 07:33 pmSome more information on SLS payload capacity released today. Doesn't look like Block 2 will hit 50 tonnes to TLI or 40 tonnes to Mars. SLS Block 2 should be listed as 37,600 kg to TMI and 45,000 kg to TLI. Block 1B estimates appear to be pretty accurate though...Note that the Block 2 numbers are given as "minimums". Actual payload capabilities would likely exceed.
Some more information on SLS payload capacity released today. Doesn't look like Block 2 will hit 50 tonnes to TLI or 40 tonnes to Mars. SLS Block 2 should be listed as 37,600 kg to TMI and 45,000 kg to TLI. Block 1B estimates appear to be pretty accurate though...
Elon was talking about the most optimistic possible schedule, not the realistic schedule.
The "raptor" engine being tested is said to be subscale mode, not the actual engine.
And absolutely NOTHING has yet been done for launch, manufacturing or testing sites of BFR/ITS. Manufacturing ITS/BFR at Hawthorne would be very problematic due logistics, and they have no pad that they can use for BRF/ITS in the near future.
(LC-39A is not an option for many years even though it's in the video)BO has LC-36 and a new manufacturing facility is being constructed near it.
The thrust level is enormous. We are talking about a lift-off thrust of 13,000tons, so it will be quite tectonic when it takes off. However, it does fit on Pad 39A, which NASA has been kind enough to allow us to use because they oversized the pad in doing Saturn V. As a result, we can use a much larger vehicle on that same launchpad.
Here's a direct quote for you:Elon Musk, June 16 2017: "Major changes to the plan coming soon." Can we please just stop the arguing about whether last September's ITS vehicle belongs on the list until after we hear Elon's update?
Mars V2 plan coming soon, which I think addresses the most fundamental flaw in V1: how to pay for development & operation of giant rockets
Quote from: envy887 on 06/17/2017 04:18 amAfter all, the exact details of most (all?) these vehicles are still in considerable flux and most are educated guesses at best (notice all the question marks...). I think a set of placeholder values for ITS is appropriate.After SpaceX provides more information in (presumably) September. - Ed Kyle
After all, the exact details of most (all?) these vehicles are still in considerable flux and most are educated guesses at best (notice all the question marks...). I think a set of placeholder values for ITS is appropriate.
So soon you wont believe it
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Updated with BFR added, based on the attached chart from Elon's September 29, 2017 presentation.