TBC is a subsidiary of SpaceX, not Tesla.
Quote from: Robotbeat on 04/24/2018 02:42 amTBC is a subsidiary of SpaceX, not Tesla.I don't think that's true. It's a separate company, as demonstrated by its need to file papers with the SEC concerning its recent funding round.
Quote from: Ludus on 04/24/2018 12:06 amQuote from: DigitalMan on 04/22/2018 11:37 pmQuote from: DistantTemple on 04/22/2018 09:28 pmQuote from: speedevilOh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)I think the initial idea was that each pod is point-to-point, and there is not much switching pods, or intermediate stopping. However I imagine a compromise, especially at low volume times, and this maybe reflected in flexible pricing.A 16 ppl pod will fill quite quickly, then whisk all to the one destination... maybe? And going home, local and outer suburbs would mostly be different pods. Even at low volume times the marginal cost of sending a pod, will mean that it is economic to use a pod for one person, without much or any increase in the price. At busy times tunnel saturation will mean sharing is essential, but that's when lots of people will be going to similar places. The AI will optimise. Near point-to point will be its killer selling point. The pods are supposed to be strictly point to point. No such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination.TBC/Tesla hasn’t offered a lot of detail, but the pods depicted in TBC videos are unambiguously intended for ride sharing small bus style transport. There would often be other people going to different destinations. There might be a lot of potential variations and differences from the public transport we’re used to, but I don’t know how you could get the impression they were private or wouldn’t stop at multiple destinations.There is indeed a lack of information on a lot of aspects of The Boring Company's plans. Except this.It is clearly described in The Boring Company FAQ, and Elon has described it on multiple occasions. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would love to learn what other details may be in there. If you're going by the video alone, it is not reasonable to infer it contrary to already stated intentions.
Quote from: DigitalMan on 04/22/2018 11:37 pmQuote from: DistantTemple on 04/22/2018 09:28 pmQuote from: speedevilOh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)I think the initial idea was that each pod is point-to-point, and there is not much switching pods, or intermediate stopping. However I imagine a compromise, especially at low volume times, and this maybe reflected in flexible pricing.A 16 ppl pod will fill quite quickly, then whisk all to the one destination... maybe? And going home, local and outer suburbs would mostly be different pods. Even at low volume times the marginal cost of sending a pod, will mean that it is economic to use a pod for one person, without much or any increase in the price. At busy times tunnel saturation will mean sharing is essential, but that's when lots of people will be going to similar places. The AI will optimise. Near point-to point will be its killer selling point. The pods are supposed to be strictly point to point. No such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination.TBC/Tesla hasn’t offered a lot of detail, but the pods depicted in TBC videos are unambiguously intended for ride sharing small bus style transport. There would often be other people going to different destinations. There might be a lot of potential variations and differences from the public transport we’re used to, but I don’t know how you could get the impression they were private or wouldn’t stop at multiple destinations.
Quote from: DistantTemple on 04/22/2018 09:28 pmQuote from: speedevilOh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)I think the initial idea was that each pod is point-to-point, and there is not much switching pods, or intermediate stopping. However I imagine a compromise, especially at low volume times, and this maybe reflected in flexible pricing.A 16 ppl pod will fill quite quickly, then whisk all to the one destination... maybe? And going home, local and outer suburbs would mostly be different pods. Even at low volume times the marginal cost of sending a pod, will mean that it is economic to use a pod for one person, without much or any increase in the price. At busy times tunnel saturation will mean sharing is essential, but that's when lots of people will be going to similar places. The AI will optimise. Near point-to point will be its killer selling point. The pods are supposed to be strictly point to point. No such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination.
Quote from: speedevilOh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)I think the initial idea was that each pod is point-to-point, and there is not much switching pods, or intermediate stopping. However I imagine a compromise, especially at low volume times, and this maybe reflected in flexible pricing.A 16 ppl pod will fill quite quickly, then whisk all to the one destination... maybe? And going home, local and outer suburbs would mostly be different pods. Even at low volume times the marginal cost of sending a pod, will mean that it is economic to use a pod for one person, without much or any increase in the price. At busy times tunnel saturation will mean sharing is essential, but that's when lots of people will be going to similar places. The AI will optimise. Near point-to point will be its killer selling point.
Oh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)
Loop is a high-speed underground public transportation system in which passengers are transported on autonomous electric skates traveling at 125-150 miles per hour. Electric skates will carry between 8 and 16 passengers (mass transit), or a single passenger vehicle.
The electric skates are faster than conventional subway cars, and are autonomous vehicles. Most importantly, Loop is an “express” public transit system – through the use of a main artery with side tunnels for entry/exit, passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping. Therefore, unlike trains, the skate’s average speed is very close to its maximum speed.
Quote from: DigitalMan on 04/24/2018 01:47 amQuote from: Ludus on 04/24/2018 12:06 amQuote from: DigitalMan on 04/22/2018 11:37 pmQuote from: DistantTemple on 04/22/2018 09:28 pmQuote from: speedevilOh and don't forget that of the dozen or so people in a pod some are going to the outer suburbs, some are just going for a few blocks, and some its just as well. (drifted a bit of topic a bit there but you get the idea)I think the initial idea was that each pod is point-to-point, and there is not much switching pods, or intermediate stopping. However I imagine a compromise, especially at low volume times, and this maybe reflected in flexible pricing.A 16 ppl pod will fill quite quickly, then whisk all to the one destination... maybe? And going home, local and outer suburbs would mostly be different pods. Even at low volume times the marginal cost of sending a pod, will mean that it is economic to use a pod for one person, without much or any increase in the price. At busy times tunnel saturation will mean sharing is essential, but that's when lots of people will be going to similar places. The AI will optimise. Near point-to point will be its killer selling point. The pods are supposed to be strictly point to point. No such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination.TBC/Tesla hasn’t offered a lot of detail, but the pods depicted in TBC videos are unambiguously intended for ride sharing small bus style transport. There would often be other people going to different destinations. There might be a lot of potential variations and differences from the public transport we’re used to, but I don’t know how you could get the impression they were private or wouldn’t stop at multiple destinations.There is indeed a lack of information on a lot of aspects of The Boring Company's plans. Except this.It is clearly described in The Boring Company FAQ, and Elon has described it on multiple occasions. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would love to learn what other details may be in there. If you're going by the video alone, it is not reasonable to infer it contrary to already stated intentions.Do you mean this?QuoteLoop is a high-speed underground public transportation system in which passengers are transported on autonomous electric skates traveling at 125-150 miles per hour. Electric skates will carry between 8 and 16 passengers (mass transit), or a single passenger vehicle.QuoteThe electric skates are faster than conventional subway cars, and are autonomous vehicles. Most importantly, Loop is an “express” public transit system – through the use of a main artery with side tunnels for entry/exit, passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping. Therefore, unlike trains, the skate’s average speed is very close to its maximum speed. That’s the only reference in TBC FAQ. To my reading that just refers to the idea that Loop access is off of side tunnels so all trips can be “express”. That doesn’t imply that “no such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination”, just that unlike a subway, the pod doesn’t have to stop at every station and block the line to other traffic. I think you’re just reading more into the phrase “passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping” than is intended. In very limited or early versions this may be as you suggest just out of simplicity. In the Chicago DT to O’Hare system it may open with only those stations. In more elaborate systems it’s not that individuals would always be taken directly to their final destination, the pod would just be able to skip stops that the system knew that none of its actual passengers required. It would be pretty rare that 8-16 random people boarding at a given point would be going to exactly the same place and there’s no efficient way for the system to accommodate that.
But you could, with the right tech, collect all the people who DO want to go to the same place and board them on the same car. Have multiple gates, your smart phone tells you which one to go to etc. The computer system could decide how the groupings are arrange to reduce the total number of stops. Means occasional but small delays as you gather groups together to optimise the system. A station would have perhaps 10 gates in a line. Sign over gate says where the car is going, which is decided by the system according to how many people are waiting. Car pulls up behind particular gate, loads, goes on its way. Might be occasional delays to downstream cars as people get on/off further up the station, but only seconds.
This idea is not new, google Ultra PRT or more generically personal rapid transit.
That’s the only reference in TBC FAQ. To my reading that just refers to the idea that Loop access is off of side tunnels so all trips can be “express”. That doesn’t imply that “no such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination”, just that unlike a subway, the pod doesn’t have to stop at every station and block the line to other traffic. I think you’re just reading more into the phrase “passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping” than is intended. In very limited or early versions this may be as you suggest just out of simplicity. In the Chicago DT to O’Hare system it may open with only those stations. In more elaborate systems it’s not that individuals would always be taken directly to their final destination, the pod would just be able to skip stops that the system knew that none of its actual passengers required. It would be pretty rare that 8-16 random people boarding at a given point would be going to exactly the same place and there’s no efficient way for the system to accommodate that.
Quote from: Ludus on 04/24/2018 03:00 pmThat’s the only reference in TBC FAQ. To my reading that just refers to the idea that Loop access is off of side tunnels so all trips can be “express”. That doesn’t imply that “no such thing as another person in the pod going to a different destination”, just that unlike a subway, the pod doesn’t have to stop at every station and block the line to other traffic. I think you’re just reading more into the phrase “passengers travel directly to their final destination without stopping” than is intended. In very limited or early versions this may be as you suggest just out of simplicity. In the Chicago DT to O’Hare system it may open with only those stations. In more elaborate systems it’s not that individuals would always be taken directly to their final destination, the pod would just be able to skip stops that the system knew that none of its actual passengers required. It would be pretty rare that 8-16 random people boarding at a given point would be going to exactly the same place and there’s no efficient way for the system to accommodate that.There are other references, try google. Elon has discussed it. The Boring Company is not building anything like you suggest. Your suggestions are off-topic for a Boring Company discussion.
Almost ready to test the new Boring Company / SpaceX hyperpod prototype. Exciting video guaranteed.
Quote from: JamesH65 on 04/24/2018 05:21 pmBut you could, with the right tech, collect all the people who DO want to go to the same place and board them on the same car. Have multiple gates, your smart phone tells you which one to go to etc. The computer system could decide how the groupings are arrange to reduce the total number of stops. Means occasional but small delays as you gather groups together to optimise the system. A station would have perhaps 10 gates in a line. Sign over gate says where the car is going, which is decided by the system according to how many people are waiting. Car pulls up behind particular gate, loads, goes on its way. Might be occasional delays to downstream cars as people get on/off further up the station, but only seconds.I commented on this a while back and my point was completely lost in translation.The concept and algorithms behind destination dispatch (please forget about the elevator if you can) is that the user/passenger asks for a destination, not a vehicle. Then the system decides which vehicle is most efficient to use and tells the user which vehicle to board. The vehicle can also travel faster. Destination dispatch (and its descendants) have allowed taller buildings to be built because it reduces some of the constraints of needing more and more elevator wells as the buildings get taller. So one can see how the concept could translate to more efficient use of tunnels.
Brilliant...Or freight containers going to premises docks inside a destination warehouse! And with people, similarly you could have a "station" or "front door" on the 30th floor, to disembark at your workplace.... or restaurant. It takes EM's 3D network above ground, as well as below.... without his hated risks of flying cars!
First Boring Company tunnel under LA almost done! Pending final… https://www.instagram.com/p/BinoVT6Acpd/...
elonmusk: First Boring Company tunnel under LA almost done! Pending final regulatory approvals, we will be offering free rides to the public in a few months.Super huge thanks to everyone that helped with this project. Strong support from public, elected officials & regulators is critical to success.