Author Topic: Shuttle II Concepts (Read 64851 times)

stefan1138 · « **on:** 01/26/2007 03:28 pm »

I found some pictures of a heavily modified Space Shuttle system, but I did not find more info in the net. Does anyone have more info about this shuttle II.

Furthermore if you have more pictures of this or similiar shuttle II proposals, please post them.

Than you!

Stefan

vt_hokie · « **Reply #1 on:** 01/26/2007 04:51 pm »

I'd like to see a crew transport roughly equivalent to the escape vehicle shown on that concept! That's gotta be about the size of ESA's proposed Hermes, I imagine.

SpaceCat · « **Reply #2 on:** 01/27/2007 12:41 am »

Time-frame wise, I'd guess these were inspired by Challenger. The last image- Heavy Lift concept- seems a bit 'over the top' and I'm not sure what they're doing there with the SSME's relative to the orbiter?
Someone's bound to come along who knows some details.
Overall, I'd bet ATK did not like these designs one bit!

hyper_snyper · « **Reply #3 on:** 01/27/2007 01:01 am »

I wonder what engines those are on the LRBs?

HailColumbia · « **Reply #4 on:** 01/27/2007 02:51 am »

I wonder how shuttle II would have handled a columbia-style failure. Could the "escape pod" have worked during reentry? (obviously totally theoretical as we only have 2 drawings and some concept art)

nathan.moeller · « **Reply #5 on:** 01/27/2007 03:15 am »

Looks like someone took a page out of the Russian shuttle playbook. Liquid-fueled boosters and a more future-looking shuttle. That second drawing reminds me of a Soyuz booster. Very interesting. I'd like to see some more on this!

SpaceCat · « **Reply #6 on:** 01/27/2007 04:55 am »

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hyper_snyper
I wonder what engines those are on the LRBs?

Wondered that too- kind of expect to see an RL-10 derivation there, but they're not quite drawn that way.

stefan1138 · « **Reply #7 on:** 02/02/2007 10:10 pm »

I just found the following picture in another forum. It said this would depict an advanced shuttle. Unfortunately found only this single picture with view from behind the vehicle. Maybe someone has other pictures where you can see the whole thing and maybe has more info on the system.

Stefan

publiusr · « **Reply #8 on:** 02/02/2007 10:38 pm »

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nathan.moeller - 26/1/2007 10:15 PM

Looks like someone took a page out of the Russian shuttle playbook. Liquid-fueled boosters and a more future-looking shuttle. That second drawing reminds me of a Soyuz booster. Very interesting. I'd like to see some more on this!

Log onto http://www.lunadude.com

What you see is pretty much an Americanized Energiya/Buran system. Nifty concept. If only this had been our STS. It was also a "Block II shuttle" In Jenkins book on the Space shuttle--are some side view drawings showing an SSME-free orbiter.

One of the drawings above shows the orbiter with SSMEs on it and an F-111 style escape system. The side mount American Buran shows only orbital insertion Engines.

Wayne Ordway proposed a similar system
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=425846&id=1&qs=No%3D40%26Ntt%3DOrdway%26Ntk%3DAuthorList%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=694271&id=4&qs=No%3D30%26Ntt%3DOrdway%26Ntk%3DAuthorList%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

Ramjet power
http://ntrs.nasa.gov/search.jsp?R=56017&id=2&qs=No%3D40%26Ntt%3DOrdway%26Ntk%3DAuthorList%26Ntx%3Dmode%2520matchall%26N%3D0%26Ns%3DHarvestDate%257c1

stefan1138 · « **Reply #9 on:** 02/02/2007 10:52 pm »

Thank you for this info. Are the safety figures / chances of crew loss known for the configuration with the F-111 style escape system?

Stefan

stefan1138 · « **Reply #10 on:** 02/02/2007 10:56 pm »

Another question. Why was the tailfin / rudder removed from the orbiter? I guess landing would be harder (those winglets somehow don´t look convincing to me).

Stefan

Jim · « **Reply #11 on:** 02/02/2007 11:13 pm »

because the current orbiter's rudder is ineffective at high angle of attacks

nathan.moeller · « **Reply #12 on:** 02/03/2007 01:13 am »

Going by that picture and the size of the module in the payload bay, I'd say that shuttle would make a better station than the one they show.

Just hang some solar arrays off the side and you're good to go. Kidding of course, but that thing is huge!

vt_hokie · « **Reply #13 on:** 02/03/2007 01:43 am »

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stefan1138 - 2/2/2007 6:10 PM

I just found the following picture in another forum. It said this would depict an advanced shuttle. Unfortunately found only this single picture with view from behind the vehicle. Maybe someone has other pictures where you can see the whole thing and maybe has more info on the system.

Stefan

I have an old plastic model from the NASP days that's shaped just like that, except that it had twin vertical fins and the horizontal appendages were canted downward.

Martin FL · « **Reply #14 on:** 02/03/2007 02:56 pm »

The cockpit escape system is another old idea that some crazy Italian guy is going around claiming NASA stole his idea. Guatamano or something.

vt_hokie · « **Reply #15 on:** 02/03/2007 03:26 pm »

Looking at the full size picture, I think that is the model I have! Looks like someone painted it and made some mods.

imfan · « **Reply #16 on:** 02/03/2007 05:11 pm »

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Martin FL - 3/2/2007 4:56 PM

The cockpit escape system is another old idea that some crazy Italian guy is going around claiming NASA stole his idea. Guatamano or something.

he ended up on Guantanamo? for claiming NASA has stolen his idea?
just joking

stefan1138 · « **Reply #17 on:** 02/03/2007 07:26 pm »

I think I found a link to this guy´s proposal:

http://www.gaetanomarano.it/articles/015safeShuttle.html

Stefan

Urwumpe · « **Reply #18 on:** 02/03/2007 07:49 pm »

I think the F-111 is prior art in that case.

And i think those who actually had to leave the F-111 with the escape capsule will agree that there are far better ways to travel - including ejection seats.

stefan1138 · « **Reply #19 on:** 02/03/2007 07:57 pm »

How many crews had to eject from the F-111 (am I right that only the USAF and the Australians did have the F-111)?

Stefan