Quote from: Blackstar on 10/04/2025 04:54 pmQuote from: LittleBird on 10/04/2025 04:16 pmI think I was too pessimistic here. A document in the recent SIGINT declassifications was a list of Lockheed SIGINT payloads, all LEO bar the last one, the first in Program 827, i.e. CANYON 1. This is stated to have had a lifetime of 20 days, the same as the space quilified 20 foot antenna in the Lockheed document quoted by Klass.https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59075.msg2669027#msg2669027That's a great connect-the-dots story. [...]As fun as this connect-the-dot stuff can be, I also find it really frustrating and rather pointless. Lots of work to piece together tiny details that tell us nothing of importance, when there is a wealth of data available on many other projects that has not been examined.Well, to each his own, I'd say. I happen to like joining the dots, but I also like stories that link the various parts of the US space programme laterally-and feel this aspect isn't covered as much as it could be.Less glibly I would also say that pinning down the size of CANYON's dish, and the wrap rib technology it seems to have used, is not a tiny detail, because this capability, even if buggy, was available to the US from 69ish to 75ish quite possibly without Soviet knowledge. I would need to reread what is known about Geoffrey Prime to confirm those dates but that's what I remember.I also think that the fact that while the NRO was going to exceptional lengths to conceal CANYON, Lockheed's GEO and antenna technology was being surfaced not only in ATS-6, but also in various domestic and Intelsat comsat bids, is both fascinating and ironic. Your mileage may of course vary. More of this in due course-I know I need to write it up.
Quote from: LittleBird on 10/04/2025 04:16 pmI think I was too pessimistic here. A document in the recent SIGINT declassifications was a list of Lockheed SIGINT payloads, all LEO bar the last one, the first in Program 827, i.e. CANYON 1. This is stated to have had a lifetime of 20 days, the same as the space quilified 20 foot antenna in the Lockheed document quoted by Klass.https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59075.msg2669027#msg2669027That's a great connect-the-dots story. [...]As fun as this connect-the-dot stuff can be, I also find it really frustrating and rather pointless. Lots of work to piece together tiny details that tell us nothing of importance, when there is a wealth of data available on many other projects that has not been examined.
I think I was too pessimistic here. A document in the recent SIGINT declassifications was a list of Lockheed SIGINT payloads, all LEO bar the last one, the first in Program 827, i.e. CANYON 1. This is stated to have had a lifetime of 20 days, the same as the space quilified 20 foot antenna in the Lockheed document quoted by Klass.https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59075.msg2669027#msg2669027