Author Topic: Hongyun demo - CZ-11 - JSLC - December 21, 2018 (23:51 UTC) (Read 24348 times)

Nordren · « **on:** 12/19/2018 03:16 pm »

Hongyan (鴻雁) is the CASC 300+ satellite constellation, while Hongyun (虹云) is CASIC's 156-satellite LEO comms project. Seems this launch is the latter, if the news is correct (Hongyun on a CZ-11, Dec 21).

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #1 on:** 12/19/2018 03:23 pm »

Quote from: Satori on 12/19/2018 03:19 pm

Quote from: Nordren on 12/19/2018 03:16 pm
Hongyan (鴻雁) is the CASC 300+ satellite constellation, while Hongyun (虹云) is CASIC's 156-satellite LEO comms project. Seems this launch is the latter, if the news is correct (Hongyun on a CZ-11, Dec 21).

So, basically I'm confusing the sats (?)

It is unfortunate that the 2 names sounds very similar in Mandarin when their meanings are very much unrelated: Hongyan means "Big Geese" while Hongyun means "Rainbow Clouds". $:-\$

Nordren · « **Reply #2 on:** 12/19/2018 03:34 pm »

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/19/2018 03:23 pm

Quote from: Satori on 12/19/2018 03:19 pm
Quote from: Nordren on 12/19/2018 03:16 pm
Hongyan (鴻雁) is the CASC 300+ satellite constellation, while Hongyun (虹云) is CASIC's 156-satellite LEO comms project. Seems this launch is the latter, if the news is correct (Hongyun on a CZ-11, Dec 21).

So, basically I'm confusing the sats (?)

It is unfortunate that the 2 names sounds very similar in Mandarin when their meanings are very much unrelated: Hongyan means "Big Geese" while Hongyun means "Rainbow Clouds". $:-\$

At least the two state entities behind them don't appear similar. Oh, wait...

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #3 on:** 12/19/2018 03:55 pm »

Quote from: Nordren on 12/19/2018 03:34 pm

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/19/2018 03:23 pm
Quote from: Satori on 12/19/2018 03:19 pm
Quote from: Nordren on 12/19/2018 03:16 pm
Hongyan (鴻雁) is the CASC 300+ satellite constellation, while Hongyun (虹云) is CASIC's 156-satellite LEO comms project. Seems this launch is the latter, if the news is correct (Hongyun on a CZ-11, Dec 21).

So, basically I'm confusing the sats (?)

It is unfortunate that the 2 names sounds very similar in Mandarin when their meanings are very much unrelated: Hongyan means "Big Geese" while Hongyun means "Rainbow Clouds". $:-\$

At least the two state entities behind them don't appear similar. Oh, wait...

The strange thing is that CASIC is launching its own test satellite on its direct competitor's rocket (maybe originally planned on the KZ-11?) - think OneWeb launching on Falcon 9!

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #4 on:** 12/20/2018 12:31 pm »

Nothing new has been reported for this launch (even one of the sources that gave the Dec. 21 launch date seems unsure if this is going on).
Launch time still unknown.
No NOTAMs.
No official reports from CASIC/CAST/CALT/......

🤔

GELORD · « **Reply #5 on:** 12/20/2018 07:09 pm »

“虹云工程”

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #6 on:** 12/20/2018 10:47 pm »

Quote from: GELORD on 12/20/2018 07:09 pm

“虹云工程”

Hongyun Gongcheng (Rainbow Cloud Engineering)

Here's the 9ifly thread. No information yet on the launch time.

http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-91578-2-1.html

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #7 on:** 12/21/2018 01:01 am »

There's still absolutely no news related to this launch as of right now, including the launch time. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #8 on:** 12/21/2018 03:23 am »

Looks like to have been postponed to between 7 and 8 am tomorrow (21 December 23:00 to 22 December 00:00 UTC)

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=3&authorid=28753

"Space enthusiasts ' Network news postponed until 7:00 tomorrow at 8:00"

9ifly is referring to spaceflightfans.cn

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/long-march-11-rocket-launch-hongyun1-satellite?instance_id=2174

"When: 2018-12-22 @ 07:00 – 08:00"

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #9 on:** 12/21/2018 07:05 am »

A5441/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N374910E0985727-N384630E0991730-N384039E0994404-N374325E0992342 BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS: GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 21 DEC 23:46 2018 UNTIL 22 DEC 00:28 2018. CREATED: 21 DEC 07:01 2018

tehwkd · « **Reply #10 on:** 12/21/2018 08:36 am »

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/21/2018 07:05 am

A5441/18 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N374910E0985727-N384630E0991730-N384039E0994404-N374325E0992342 BACK TO START. ALL ACFT ARE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA. VERTICAL LIMITS: GND-UNL. GND - UNL, 21 DEC 23:46 2018 UNTIL 22 DEC 00:28 2018. CREATED: 21 DEC 07:01 2018

Comet · « **Reply #11 on:** 12/21/2018 11:26 am »

I was hoping to see a new patch luke that of the Centispace 1

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #12 on:** 12/21/2018 10:50 pm »

Launch should be happening about now.

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #13 on:** 12/21/2018 10:54 pm »

Some images posted at 9ifly. Not sure if they are from this launch.

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=4&authorid=36089

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #14 on:** 12/21/2018 10:55 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 10:54 pm

Some images posted at 9ifly. Not sure if they are from this launch.

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=4&authorid=36089

Stock models I believe.

Satori · « **Reply #15 on:** 12/21/2018 10:55 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 10:54 pm

Some images posted at 9ifly. Not sure if they are from this launch.

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=4&authorid=36089

They look CGI.

Satori · « **Reply #16 on:** 12/21/2018 11:00 pm »

Launch code should be 01-100.

GELORD · « **Reply #17 on:** 12/21/2018 11:14 pm »

Satori · « **Reply #18 on:** 12/21/2018 11:14 pm »

Launch at 2351UTC

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #19 on:** 12/21/2018 11:15 pm »

SFF is showing a launch image and a launch time of 23:54 UTC. Not sure if this is a file photo. There's no other text indicating that the launch has happened.

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/long-march-11-rocket-launch-hongyun1-satellite?instance_id=2174

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #20 on:** 12/21/2018 11:16 pm »

Launch success!

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=4&authorid=33710

"Global WiFi is coming online!" Just now, a space router in the sky ... "#Ignition!# December 22, 2018 7:51, China at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center with the Changzheng 11th carrier rocket, the success of the Rainbow Cloud Engineering Technology verification satellite launch, the satellite into the scheduled orbit,
The success of the star launch marks a substantial step in the construction of China's low-orbit broadband communications satellite system. Rainbow Cloud Project is a global low-orbit broadband communications satellite system led by China Aerospace Science and Industry Group Co., Ltd. The system will be based on space-based Internet access capabilities, integration of low-orbit navigation enhancement, diversification of remote sensing, to achieve access, guidance, remote information integration.
The successful launch of the technical verification satellite is the first star of the Rainbow Cloud Project, the follow-up will be based on this satellite to carry out low-orbit space-based Internet testing and application demonstration. The Long March 11th launch vehicle for launch was developed and produced by Aerospace Technology Group Co., Ltd., the NO. 295 flight of the Long March series launch vehicle. (Photo Zhang Mingyuan)

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #21 on:** 12/21/2018 11:17 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 11:16 pm

Launch success!

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=91578&page=4&authorid=33710

"Global WiFi is coming online!" Just now, a space router in the sky ... "#点火!# December 22, 2018 7:51, China at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center with the Changzheng 11th carrier rocket, the success of the Rainbow Cloud Engineering Technology verification satellite launch, the satellite into the scheduled orbit,
The success of the star launch marks a substantial step in the construction of China's low-orbit broadband communications satellite system. Rainbow Cloud Project is a global low-orbit broadband communications satellite system led by China Aerospace Science and Industry Group Co., Ltd. The system will be based on space-based Internet access capabilities, integration of low-orbit navigation enhancement, diversification of remote sensing, to achieve access, guidance, remote information integration.
The successful launch of the technical verification satellite is the first star of the Rainbow Cloud Project, the follow-up will be based on this satellite to carry out low-orbit space-based Internet testing and application demonstration. The Long March 11th launch vehicle for launch was developed and produced by Aerospace Technology Group Co., Ltd., the NO. 295 flight of the Long March series launch vehicle. (Photo Zhang Mingyuan)

Launch time was 23:51 UTC.

Satori · « **Reply #22 on:** 12/21/2018 11:18 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 11:15 pm

SFF is showing a launch image and a launch time of 23:54 UTC. Not sure if this is a file photo. There's no other text indicating that the launch has happened.

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/long-march-11-rocket-launch-hongyun1-satellite?instance_id=2174

Launch was at night, so that's a file photo. Launch time was 2351UTC.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #23 on:** 12/21/2018 11:18 pm »

Rui's article!

LAUNCH! Chinese Long March 11 launches with the first Hongyun satellite -

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/12/chinese-long-march-11-launches-hongyun-satellite/

GELORD · « **Reply #24 on:** 12/21/2018 11:20 pm »

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #25 on:** 12/21/2018 11:24 pm »

Quote from: Satori on 12/21/2018 11:18 pm

Launch was at night, so that's a file photo. Launch time was 2351UTC.

Night in the UK, but morning in China. Launch was at 7:51 am local. Sunrise for Beijing was 7:32 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/china

Satori · « **Reply #26 on:** 12/21/2018 11:32 pm »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 11:24 pm

Quote from: Satori on 12/21/2018 11:18 pm
Launch was at night, so that's a file photo. Launch time was 2351UTC.

Night in the UK, but morning in China. Launch was at 7:51 am local. Sunrise for Beijing was 7:32 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/china

That photo is not from this launch. Is from the January 19, 2018, launch.

GELORD · « **Reply #27 on:** 12/21/2018 11:40 pm »

GELORD · « **Reply #28 on:** 12/21/2018 11:51 pm »

Start Time

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #29 on:** 12/22/2018 12:00 am »

Some more info for this launch: https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/R7W82y-0C6-XYgOQEBu7YA

- This flight used CZ-11 s/n Y5
- Target orbit is a SSO with altitude above 1000 km
- Contract for this flight was signed less than 6 months ago
- Next CZ-11 flight is a multiple satellite launch in January 2019

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #30 on:** 12/22/2018 12:37 am »

Short video here.

http://n.miaopai.com/media/gooBV0M9ZwoBpUVlFsOJ67YCjCNcQAYB

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #31 on:** 12/22/2018 12:45 am »

CZ-11 launch from an ocean patform?

http://www.chinanews.com/gn/2018/12-22/8709801.shtml

"The Rockets expert revealed that the Changzheng 11th rocket is making every effort to carry out preparations for the sea launch, and plans to implement the launch of China's first launch vehicle at sea in June 2019."

Josh_from_Canada · « **Reply #32 on:** 12/22/2018 04:14 am »

Catalogued in orbit!!

https://twitter.com/planet4589/status/1076332276382908417

SciNews · « **Reply #33 on:** 12/22/2018 06:22 am »

The rocket in the beginning of the video might not be from this launch

CASIC plans to launch another four experimental Hongyun satellites before the end of 2020

anik · « **Reply #34 on:** 12/22/2018 07:52 am »

So, as per photo on https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=47005.msg1890912#msg1890912, it was a rocket with serial number Y20011805 (or short Y5) produced in 2018.

anik · « **Reply #35 on:** 12/22/2018 08:15 am »

And, by the way, it was 5800th orbital launch as per my counting - someone can check.

input~2 · « **Reply #36 on:** 12/22/2018 08:16 am »

Short video of the launch. The satellite is a test model.
http://tv.cctv.com/2018/12/22/VIDEMH7GWMGvbBRWXaQwxnqU181222.shtml

input~2 · « **Reply #37 on:** 12/22/2018 08:38 am »

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 11:24 pm

Quote from: Satori on 12/21/2018 11:18 pm
Launch was at night, so that's a file photo. Launch time was 2351UTC.

Night in the UK, but morning in China. Launch was at 7:51 am local. Sunrise for Beijing was 7:32 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/china

Sunrise for JSLC was 08:41 am LT

Star One · « **Reply #38 on:** 12/22/2018 08:39 am »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 12/21/2018 11:18 pm

Rui's article!

LAUNCH! Chinese Long March 11 launches with the first Hongyun satellite -

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2018/12/chinese-long-march-11-launches-hongyun-satellite/

Apologies this isn’t an update, but in the third paragraph it says “this is the fist satellite of a vast space-based communications network capable of covering every corner on the Earth, including the Arctic and Antarctica”. I presume that should be ‘first’ not ‘fist’.

eeergo · « **Reply #39 on:** 12/22/2018 10:14 am »

Launch video since (almost) T-0.

https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1076355211269206016

Avengers · « **Reply #40 on:** 12/22/2018 10:51 am »

Quote from: input~2 on 12/22/2018 08:38 am

Quote from: Steven Pietrobon on 12/21/2018 11:24 pm
Quote from: Satori on 12/21/2018 11:18 pm
Launch was at night, so that's a file photo. Launch time was 2351UTC.

Night in the UK, but morning in China. Launch was at 7:51 am local. Sunrise for Beijing was 7:32 am.

https://www.timeanddate.com/astronomy/china
Sunrise for JSLC was 08:41 am LT

China has only one time zone, which is Beijing time.
07:51 am

Satori · « **Reply #41 on:** 12/22/2018 12:29 pm »

Quote from: anik on 12/22/2018 08:15 am

And, by the way, it was 5800th orbital launch as per my counting - someone can check.

Yes!!!!

Satori · « **Reply #42 on:** 12/22/2018 12:44 pm »

Quote from: SciNews on 12/22/2018 06:22 am

The rocket in the beginning of the video might not be from this launch

CASIC plans to launch another four experimental Hongyun satellites before the end of 2020

It is the launcher used on January 19, 2018.

Satori · « **Reply #43 on:** 12/22/2018 02:23 pm »

Quote from: edkyle99 on 12/22/2018 02:13 pm

Quote from: Satori on 12/22/2018 12:29 pm
Quote from: anik on 12/22/2018 08:15 am
And, by the way, it was 5800th orbital launch as per my counting - someone can check.

Yes!!!!
Is this a number of launches that have made it to orbit? I don't have any confidence in a hard number for the number of orbital launch attempts since the dawn of the space age. There are disagreements about how many attempts Iran has made, for example, and even Korea.

- Ed Kyle

For me is the number of orbital attempts.

anik · « **Reply #44 on:** 12/22/2018 03:28 pm »

Quote from: edkyle99 on 12/22/2018 02:26 pm

FWIW my count is 5,795 for this one, but I see this as a kind of estimate given the uncertainties

My data:
Baikonur - 1487
Kapustin Yar - 101
Plesetsk - 1624
Svobodniy - 5
Russian submarine - 3
Dombarovskiy - 10
Vostochniy - 3
CCAFS - 750
Pilot - 6
VAFB - 678
Wallops - 37
KSC - 167
Pegasus - 43
Kodiak - 3
Omelek - 5
Kauai - 1
Hammaguir - 4
CSG - 288
Uchinoura - 40
Tanegashima - 78
San Marco - 9
Woomera - 6
Jiuquan - 113
Xichang - 124
Taiyuan - 72
Wenchang - 4
SDSC - 68
Palmachim - 12
Alcantara - 2
Tonghae - 2
Sohae - 3
Sea Launch - 36
Semnan - 9
Naro - 3
Onenui - 4

Phillip Clark · « **Reply #45 on:** 12/22/2018 04:10 pm »

Should the discussion of worldwide launch counts be a separate thread, "Launch statistics"?

Satori · « **Reply #46 on:** 12/22/2018 04:37 pm »

Quote from: Phillip Clark on 12/22/2018 04:10 pm

Should the discussion of worldwide launch counts be a separate thread, "Launch statistics"?

Creating that on the Historical Spaceflight section.

limen4 · « **Reply #47 on:** 12/22/2018 04:56 pm »

Quote from: Satori on 12/22/2018 12:44 pm

Quote from: SciNews on 12/22/2018 06:22 am
The rocket in the beginning of the video might not be from this launch

CASIC plans to launch another four experimental Hongyun satellites before the end of 2020

It is the launcher used on January 19, 2018.

The launcher at the beginning of the video is Y20011703, the launcher for Hongyun-1 is Y20011805

Liss · « **Reply #48 on:** 12/22/2018 05:27 pm »

Quote from: limen4 on 12/22/2018 04:56 pm

The launcher at the beginning of the video is Y20011703, the launcher for Hongyun-1 is Y20011805

Y-20-01-17-03 = 2017, batch 01, item 03
Y-20-01-18-05 = 2018, batch 01, item 05
I guess so.

limen4 · « **Reply #49 on:** 12/22/2018 05:42 pm »

Very wild guess, but could this be an indication for launch area number 95?

Satori · « **Reply #50 on:** 12/22/2018 05:46 pm »

China launches tech experimental satellite for wider-reaching broadband connection.

SciNews · « **Reply #51 on:** 12/22/2018 05:52 pm »

Quote from: Satori on 12/22/2018 12:44 pm

It is the launcher used on January 19, 2018.

At least we got to see that one. ~~Here are some images from this launch.~~

Satori · « **Reply #52 on:** 12/22/2018 06:38 pm »

Quote from: SciNews on 12/22/2018 05:52 pm

Quote from: Satori on 12/22/2018 12:44 pm
It is the launcher used on January 19, 2018.
At least we got to see that one. Here are some images from this launch.

The images are not from this launch. This is a CZ-2C.

russianhalo117 · « **Reply #53 on:** 12/23/2018 09:58 pm »

Quote from: limen4 on 12/22/2018 05:42 pm

Very wild guess, but could this be an indication for launch area number 95?

That would match numbering schemes for all other PRC LC's. Now just need to crack the lettering as some are area cameras and some are individual pad Cameras.

Site 43/94 is neighbouring pad so 43/95. The camera number series represents the number after the slant.

Satori · « **Reply #54 on:** 05/25/2020 11:44 am »

From Xinhua,

China's low-orbit broadband communication satellite bears fruitful results.