I like Picard and TNG, but this seems like a *terrible* idea indicating a real lack of imagination on the creators behalf. Unless this is a very short mini-series.
*One can ask whatever happened to those 29th Century 'Time Cops' (i.e., the USS Relativity on Voyager or Mr. Daniels on Enterprise) who were fixing timeline incursions. How did they miss Vulcan going kablooey?
Quote from: eric z on 08/05/2018 01:50 pm William Shatner is a great actor- yes, a little corny at times but also capable of drop-dead dramatic situations.Watch this scene again. Watch it from the beginning and pay attention to Shatner's voice and his facial expressions and how he moves. It's an amazing bit of acting, right down to him sinking down to the floor, totally defeated.It's a great bit of acting by Nimoy too.
William Shatner is a great actor- yes, a little corny at times but also capable of drop-dead dramatic situations.
Lots to choose from: check out the scene in ST 3 when his son, David is killed. “You Klingon bastards; you‘ve killed my son....”
Quote from: Ike17055 on 08/12/2018 12:55 amLots to choose from: check out the scene in ST 3 when his son, David is killed. “You Klingon bastards; you‘ve killed my son....”You can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting. He's quite good in some episodes. (For instance "City on the Edge of Forever.") I think that too often Shatner has been called a "bad" actor. That's not really accurate. He at times was a hammy actor and chewed scenery when he didn't have to. But in some cases, given the right material, he could be very good. Maybe his range was narrow, or maybe he just wasn't consistently giving good performances, but he certainly had ability.
On topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383.
Since everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.
Quote from: mme on 08/12/2018 10:38 pmSince everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.Shatner singing "Common People" is hilarious.But you wanna know the man, look up Wil Wheaton's essay "William [bleeping] Shatner" (you need to type in the actual word in Google). It is the funniest thing you'll read in a long time. Trust me.
Since everyone is talking about Shatner, his 2004 album "Has Been" made me fan: Pickfork review of Has Been.You have to listen to the whole album though to feel it's beauty and brilliance. I disagree with the end of the review though. The songs "It Hasn't Happened Yet" and "What Have You Done?" are also awesome.On topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383. Get with the program folks.
is kind of hammy but in KHAN (loud voice) he does in my view an amazing performance...he plays a guy/gal who is rusty, and feeling for skills that he knew he once had but which have gone rusty...he slowly "gets better" until he returns to his old self...and the scene at Spocks death is to me just wonderful acting
I didn't know this till relatively recently, but Picard is supposed to be ten years older than Patrick Stewart who plays him. So he would be pushing 90. I believe the mandatory retirement age for human Starfleet Captains on Starship Command duty is 100. After that; they have to be Starbase-based or they can take retirement.
Quote from: MATTBLAK on 08/13/2018 12:10 amI didn't know this till relatively recently, but Picard is supposed to be ten years older than Patrick Stewart who plays him. So he would be pushing 90. I believe the mandatory retirement age for human Starfleet Captains on Starship Command duty is 100. After that; they have to be Starbase-based or they can take retirement.Star Trek has always had a bit of a problem with this issue. As a franchise, they wanted to keep their stars in the center seat as long as possible. In real life that would not work--you have a few thousand starships, you cannot keep the same people in command of them for a decade or more at a time, you need to rotate them out.The U.S. Navy is the extreme other end of this--often a captain will be in command of a ship for only one year and then they're out. Maybe they'll get a couple of commands, but that's it. They're constantly rotating new people into command. There are reasons to do this, but I've often thought (without any good inside knowledge) that it's a poor way to get experienced people in command. It takes a long time to get good at what you do, and if somebody is good going into command, why would you only want to get one year out of them? And if they need more than a year in command to get good, you're not giving them that experience.
Quote from: TripleSeven on 08/12/2018 09:52 pmis kind of hammy but in KHAN (loud voice) he does in my view an amazing performance...he plays a guy/gal who is rusty, and feeling for skills that he knew he once had but which have gone rusty...he slowly "gets better" until he returns to his old self...and the scene at Spocks death is to me just wonderful actingStar Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is showing at one of my local theaters August 20. You might check and see if it's showing near you too.There is a great arc to Kirk's story (just as there was a good arc to Spock's story in the previous film). Kirk spends much of the film fighting against retaking the command chair. He's finding excuses, and he's not seizing the opportunity. It's not just that he's rusty, he is holding back because he somehow thinks it's wrong and that he shouldn't be in command, and then that nearly gets them all killed. He only gets his cockiness back after beaming down to the planetoid (and eating the apple--symbolic?). He doesn't believe in the no-win scenario, right? Then he gets back in the game and he defeats Khan. But he ends up paying a price for his actions, losing his best friend in the process. It's a wonderful story arc. And in some ways it mirrors Spock's story arc in the first film, where Spock reluctantly goes back to the Enterprise, feeling like he has failed in achieving his goal of "total logic." And by the end of the film, Spock realizes that there's much more to the universe than logic and that he belongs on the Enterprise.I think The Wrath of Khan is a well-done film, although it has some mostly minor problems. Shatner's acting is good for most of it and sometimes outstanding (like the death scene with Spock), but a few of his lines are sub-standard. There's a story about how he delivered the line "Here it comes" just before using the Prefix Code to lower Reliant's shields. He kept delivering the line in a snarky/sarcastic manner that the director thought sounded wrong. It's the kind of thing that probably would have tipped off Khan that something was going on as soon as he heard it. So Nicolas Meyer kept asking Shatner to re-do the shot. But with actors with huge egos (coughShatnercough) you cannot really tell them that they did a line wrong or ask for a different delivery. So Meyer kept blaming the need for a re-shot on a problem with the sound, or a camera glitch or something. Eventually, after a bunch of takes, he simply tired Shatner out, which is how come Kirk almost sounds bored when he delivers that line. It's a poor delivery, but the best one the director could get out of him.
the discussion of living things the intimacy of "Kirk and command" the discussion of "I am a Vulcan"...logic alone dictating actions... as with all living things according to their own gifts...
Quote from: mme on 08/12/2018 10:38 pmOn topic:Patrick Stewart is an absolute gift to humanity and I look forward to seeing what Captain Picard gets up to in retirement. 78 Earth years is not that old in 2383.But it is.In the final of TNG, he is around that stardate - in the 'flash-forward' - and retired and ill.He does not refer to this state as being surprising - 'why wasn't I healed and still in starfleet' - as he would have if it was routine to be healthy and working at 100.Also, if this was true, there should have been lots of much older captains met along the way, and there aren't.
You can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting.
Quote from: Blackstar on 08/12/2018 09:33 pmYou can see it in the original series as well. I'm blanking on which episode it was, but I watched an original series episode a number of months ago and was impressed with Shatner's acting.Perhaps, "The Conscience of the King" (the Kodos the Executioner episode)?
