Author Topic: Should Blue bring a small asteroid to the Cislunar zone in this decade? (Read 14228 times)

Tywin · « **on:** 01/02/2022 08:33 pm »

Something similar to NASA's ARM mission...

As a reminder, Blue is developing a space tug...

Tywin · « **Reply #1 on:** 01/02/2022 08:48 pm »

Interesting, this doc...

https://kiss.caltech.edu/workshops/csc2011/references/asteroids-classification-and-study/Near%20Earth%20Asteroid%20Accessible%20to%20Human%20Exploration_Landau_Strange.pdf

https://www.space.com/asteroid-mining-bring-space-rocks-to-earth

jstrotha0975 · « **Reply #2 on:** 01/02/2022 09:40 pm »

Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Tywin · « **Reply #3 on:** 01/02/2022 09:47 pm »

Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm

Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue has about 4000 employees, by the end of this decade maybe double that number, seems to me an interesting mission for their space tug....

Tywin · « **Reply #4 on:** 01/02/2022 09:53 pm »

Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm

Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue will deliver the BE-4 this year, they already have the BE-3 and BE-3U, almost the BE-7...the New Shepard works....

The New Glenn will fly between this year and next year....

Orbital Reef is doing well and has great partners....

The space tug is a project that with this mission can achieve great things...

Lemurion · « **Reply #5 on:** 01/02/2022 10:12 pm »

Why? This is a significant mission, so what does Blue get out of it? Why would Blue want to take this mission on and how does it fit into what the company is already involved in?

Hamish.Student · « **Reply #6 on:** 01/02/2022 10:27 pm »

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 09:53 pm

Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm
Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue will deliver the BE-4 this year

Maybe

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they already have the BE-3 and BE-3U, almost the BE-7

Hopefully that works out better than BE-4...

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...the New Shepard works....

Ill give you this one, NS does work.

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The New Glenn will fly between this year and next year....

You assume, many would disagree

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Orbital Reef is doing well and has great partners....

It was a spiffy announcement for sure

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The space tug is a project that with this mission can achieve great things...

If they can complete it

Also, rather than having several comments responding to the same person, use the edit button maybe? Makes things cleaner and easier to follow.

tater · « **Reply #7 on:** 01/02/2022 10:27 pm »

Sure. Wake me when BO gets to orbit.

Tywin · « **Reply #8 on:** 01/02/2022 10:33 pm »

Quote from: Lemurion on 01/02/2022 10:12 pm

Why? This is a significant mission, so what does Blue get out of it? Why would Blue want to take this mission on and how does it fit into what the company is already involved in?

Blue wants to bring heavy industry into space, and to do that, it needs to start with space mining....

This mission would be a great start...and even more so now that there is or will be a Gateway station....

Tywin · « **Reply #9 on:** 01/02/2022 10:36 pm »

Quote from: Hamish.Student on 01/02/2022 10:27 pm

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 09:53 pm
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm
Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue will deliver the BE-4 this year
Maybe
Quote
they already have the BE-3 and BE-3U, almost the BE-7
Hopefully that works out better than BE-4...
Quote
...the New Shepard works....
Ill give you this one, NS does work.

Quote
The New Glenn will fly between this year and next year....
You assume, many would disagree

Quote
Orbital Reef is doing well and has great partners....
It was a spiffy announcement for sure

Quote
The space tug is a project that with this mission can achieve great things...
If they can complete it

Also, rather than having several comments responding to the same person, use the edit button maybe? Makes things cleaner and easier to follow.

Agree with almost everything...The space Tug is a minor project for Blue...should be easy for them...

Tywin · « **Reply #10 on:** 01/02/2022 10:37 pm »

Quote from: tater on 01/02/2022 10:27 pm

Sure. Wake me when BO gets to orbit.

your nap will be short hehehehe

Jim · « **Reply #11 on:** 01/02/2022 10:38 pm »

Why blue?

Jim · « **Reply #12 on:** 01/02/2022 10:41 pm »

Need more definitive questions than ones where the premise is nebulous.

Tywin · « **Reply #13 on:** 01/02/2022 10:43 pm »

Quote from: Jim on 01/02/2022 10:38 pm

Why blue?

Because is in the vision the Jeff Bezos, and he has the resources for doid...

Nomadd · « **Reply #14 on:** 01/02/2022 10:45 pm »

Did Reddit send this guy to flood the site with all these nonsense posts?

Tywin · « **Reply #15 on:** 01/02/2022 10:45 pm »

Quote from: Jim on 01/02/2022 10:41 pm

Need more definitive questions than ones where the premise is nebulous.

I believe the ARM mission is gonna happen in the next two decades, why not Blue as the major contractor and leader...

Tywin · « **Reply #16 on:** 01/02/2022 10:48 pm »

Quote from: Nomadd on 01/02/2022 10:45 pm

Did Reddit send this guy to flood the site with all these nonsense posts?

I don't participate in Reddit, however, I have been in NSF for many years...

Jim · « **Reply #17 on:** 01/02/2022 10:51 pm »

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 10:45 pm

Quote from: Jim on 01/02/2022 10:41 pm
Need more definitive questions than ones where the premise is nebulous.

I believe the ARM mission is gonna happen in the next two decades, why not Blue as the major contractor and leader...

NASA isn’t going to fund it

Tywin · « **Reply #18 on:** 01/02/2022 10:55 pm »

Quote from: Jim on 01/02/2022 10:51 pm

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 10:45 pm
Quote from: Jim on 01/02/2022 10:41 pm
Need more definitive questions than ones where the premise is nebulous.

I believe the ARM mission is gonna happen in the next two decades, why not Blue as the major contractor and leader...

NASA isn’t going to fund it

Jeff Bezos has the money to fund it...

DistantTemple · « **Reply #19 on:** 01/02/2022 10:59 pm »

Quote from: Hamish.Student on 01/02/2022 10:27 pm

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 09:53 pm
Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm
Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue will deliver the BE-4 this year
Maybe
Quote
they already have the BE-3 and BE-3U, almost the BE-7
Hopefully that works out better than BE-4...
Quote
...the New Shepard works....
Ill give you this one, NS does work.

Quote
The New Glenn will fly between this year and next year....
You assume, many would disagree

Quote
Orbital Reef is doing well and has great partners....
It was a spiffy announcement for sure

Quote
The space tug is a project that with this mission can achieve great things...
If they can complete it

Also, rather than having several comments responding to the same person, use the edit button maybe? Makes things cleaner and easier to follow.

From your introduction, its obvious that BO will succeed where SX is lagging, and bogged down in regulation. BO has already achieved the recovery of a Saturn 5 engine, a feat SX that has not appeared even on Elon's timeline. And the same with space tugs, SX is totally lacking in vision in this direction.
However BO will steal a march on the erstwhile pretender SpaceX. There are many reefs on earth, with loads of space around them, (I'm sure BO lawyers will confirm this definition of orbital reefs), investigation of this space may well produce rocks that could be presented as asteroid fragments. This would be a mission largely based on BO's amazing achievements to date.
EDIT: I wonder, did BO carry out that mission, or a contractor. I assumed BO did it, and thus assessed them a high TRL.

meekGee · « **Reply #20 on:** 01/03/2022 02:33 am »

Quote from: Tywin on 01/02/2022 09:53 pm

Quote from: jstrotha0975 on 01/02/2022 09:40 pm
Sure. What's one more thing on their plate that they can't deliver on?

Blue will deliver the BE-4 this year,

The ULA version of it, maybe.

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they already have the BE-3

Ok..

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and BE-3U,

Do they now?

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almost the BE-7...

Haha like they almost have a lot of things..

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the New Shepard works....

So does my car

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The New Glenn will fly between this year and next year....

You're drifting into pure conjecture here, and wishful conjecture at that

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Orbital Reef is doing well and has great partners....

It's just an announcement and a tiny bit of money.. "doing well"? It's not doing anything...

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The space tug is a project that with this mission can achieve great things...

Like someone said upthread - let's see NG/Jarvis fly first. Otherwise, it's just wishful thinking.

deadman1204 · « **Reply #21 on:** 01/03/2022 02:58 am »

while a neat idea, blue won't do ANYTHING they aren't getting paid to do. Profit is a serious operating goal of Bezos

Comga · « **Reply #22 on:** 01/03/2022 11:16 pm »

Quote from: Nomadd on 01/02/2022 10:45 pm

Did Reddit send this guy to flood the site with all these nonsense posts?

“Mr. Feder!
You ask a lotta questions!”

(I dare you to place that reference!)

How many threads have you started in the last few days, Tywin?
I think you have used up your quota.
For 2022

tgr9898 · « **Reply #23 on:** 01/04/2022 02:56 am »

Quote from: Comga on 01/03/2022 11:16 pm

“Mr. Feder!
You ask a lotta questions!”

(I dare you to place that reference!)

Jane Curtain?
I'm wrong?
Oh, that's very different.... Nevermind.

Obligatory on topic:

Should B.O. grab an asteroid? It would be a great way to demonstrate Jeff's ideas of moving manufacturing in space.
Can B.O. grab an asteroid? How about orbiting something first.
Will they? It all depends on who pays them.

Steven Pietrobon · « **Reply #24 on:** 01/04/2022 03:13 am »

Roseanne Roseannadanna from SNL.

https://en-academic.com/dic.nsf/enwiki/948355

As to the thread title, I'm sure Blue would be happy to do that if NASA footed the bill.

DreamyPickle · « **Reply #25 on:** 01/04/2022 09:36 am »

The idea of moving a asteroid to Earth or Lunar orbit has been suggested multiple times but the advantages are extremely unconvincing.

If you want to do ISRU it's much better to do it on the Moon's surface.

daveklingler · « **Reply #26 on:** 01/26/2022 05:55 pm »

Quote from: DreamyPickle on 01/04/2022 09:36 am

The idea of moving a asteroid to Earth or Lunar orbit has been suggested multiple times but the advantages are extremely unconvincing.

If you want to do ISRU it's much better to do it on the Moon's surface.

From my point of view, moving a decent-sized asteroid to Earth orbit would be one of the most significant advances in human history, comparable in some aspects to Sputnik or Apollo 11. Double points if it contained significant quantities of nitrogen.

deadman1204 · « **Reply #27 on:** 01/26/2022 05:59 pm »

Quote from: daveklingler on 01/26/2022 05:55 pm

Quote from: DreamyPickle on 01/04/2022 09:36 am
The idea of moving a asteroid to Earth or Lunar orbit has been suggested multiple times but the advantages are extremely unconvincing.

If you want to do ISRU it's much better to do it on the Moon's surface.

From my point of view, moving a decent-sized asteroid to Earth orbit would be one of the most significant advances in human history, comparable in some aspects to Sputnik or Apollo 11. Double points if it contained significant quantities of nitrogen.

I agree. People don't understand how big and heavy asteroids are. Moving an entire mountain (tiny asteroid) is no small feat.