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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #20 on: 10/16/2023 07:14 pm »
Like everything else from Blue, it doesn’t exist for practical purposes until they show flight hardware.
Blue is perhaps an extreme example, but by now I feel that this is true for the entire Space industry. Sadly this is true even when there is an actual contract in place with specific dates and deliverables.
True but blue is a special case. They join literally EVERY space project, and never complete one.
They also never officially drop out of any either, they just let it whimper and fade.

No company has the people/money to do every project. This just waters everything down. Blue has been cutting people, so adding another project means something else is losing alot of staff.

Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #21 on: 10/16/2023 07:24 pm »
If you guys really can't help but bash Blue Origin, there is a general discussion thread where you can do that all day. This thread actually has a specific topic.
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #22 on: 10/16/2023 07:25 pm »
From the article which credits Blue Origin for the image:

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #23 on: 10/16/2023 07:35 pm »
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1714001753467719728

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What’s new at Blue? Our vision to build a road to space now includes a new, multi-orbit spacecraft platform called Blue Ring. Check it out here:

https://www.blueorigin.com/news/blue-origin-unveils-space-mobility-platform

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OCT 16, 2023
Blue Origin Unveils Multi-Mission, Multi-Orbit Space Mobility Platform

Expanding upon its mission to build a road to space for the benefit of Earth, Blue Origin has unveiled Blue Ring, a spacecraft platform focused on providing in-space logistics and delivery.

Blue Ring serves commercial and government customers and can support a variety of missions in medium Earth orbit out to the cislunar region and beyond. The platform provides end-to-end services that span hosting, transportation, refueling, data relay, and logistics, including an “in-space” cloud computing capability. Blue Ring can host payloads of more than 3,000 kg and provides unprecedented delta-V capabilities and mission flexibility.

“Blue Ring addresses two of the most difficult challenges in spaceflight today: growing space infrastructure and increasing mobility on-orbit,” said Paul Ebertz, Senior Vice President of Blue Origin’s In-Space Systems. “We're offering our customers the ability to easily access and maneuver through a variety of orbits cost-effectively while having access to critical data to ensure a successful mission,” Ebertz added.

Blue Ring is part of a newly formed Blue Origin business unit called In-Space Systems.
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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #25 on: 10/16/2023 08:35 pm »
Wouldn't it be nice if Dave limp, on his first day said:

"New Glenn is the priority. Everything else is on the back burner, especially the truck. We launch a year from now. No excuses."
« Last Edit: 10/16/2023 08:37 pm by seb21051 »

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #26 on: 10/16/2023 08:40 pm »
Wouldn't it be nice if Dave limp, on his first day said:

"New Glenn is the priority. Everything else is on the back burner, especially the truck. We launch a year from now. No excuses."
Nice try, but see Brooks' Law:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%27s_law
Basically, adding resources to a late project makes it later.

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #27 on: 10/16/2023 08:42 pm »
Wouldn't it be nice if Dave limp, on his first day said:

"New Glenn is the priority. Everything else is on the back burner, especially the truck. We launch a year from now. No excuses."
Nice try, but see Brooks' Law:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooks%27s_law
Basically, adding resources to a late project makes it later.

I hate to say it, but I know you're right. Maybe the Bermuda Plan could be brought to bear.
« Last Edit: 10/16/2023 08:45 pm by seb21051 »

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #28 on: 10/16/2023 10:56 pm »
Could this ion engine have something similar to the Kuiper sat?

The chemical engine, is maybe a BE-5 or BE-6?
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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #29 on: 10/16/2023 10:57 pm »
Other question, is this the biggest space tug currently in the market?
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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #30 on: 10/16/2023 11:40 pm »
Other question, is this the biggest space tug currently in the market?
In the same sense maybe that Blue Reef is the largest space station currently in the market.

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #31 on: 10/17/2023 01:14 am »
Is it just me or does the bus look suspiciously like some constellation deployer that was repurposed?

I mean, if you are really in the condo-sat business that doesn't seem ideal. Straight up rideshare OTV deployer though, that's fine.

As a high power hosted platform though, it's an interesting competitor to Photon in the high end.
Might be attractive to some SAR outfits due to power consumption.
Combo setups would be interesting, top slot pointed nadir for a SAR, and a bunch of gymbaled EO telescopes in the ESPA slots for realtime targeted observations along with some lasercomm turrets.

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #32 on: 10/17/2023 05:44 pm »
Is it just me or does the bus look suspiciously like some constellation deployer that was repurposed?

I mean, if you are really in the condo-sat business that doesn't seem ideal. Straight up rideshare OTV deployer though, that's fine.

As a high power hosted platform though, it's an interesting competitor to Photon in the high end.
Might be attractive to some SAR outfits due to power consumption.
Combo setups would be interesting, top slot pointed nadir for a SAR, and a bunch of gymbaled EO telescopes in the ESPA slots for realtime targeted observations along with some lasercomm turrets.

I definitely see the resemblance. My first though was how similar it looked (by coincidence) to the Soviet 4MV interplanetary bus (Mars-3, Astron, Granat, Venera-9).
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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #33 on: 10/18/2023 02:23 pm »
If you guys really can't help but bash Blue Origin, there is a general discussion thread where you can do that all day. This thread actually has a specific topic.
Your gatekeeping.
We have legitimate doubts about this project and how it affects the company. Thats very germaine to the thread.

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #34 on: 10/18/2023 05:03 pm »
Is it just me or does the bus look suspiciously like some constellation deployer that was repurposed?

I mean, if you are really in the condo-sat business that doesn't seem ideal. Straight up rideshare OTV deployer though, that's fine.

As a high power hosted platform though, it's an interesting competitor to Photon in the high end.
Might be attractive to some SAR outfits due to power consumption.
Combo setups would be interesting, top slot pointed nadir for a SAR, and a bunch of gymbaled EO telescopes in the ESPA slots for realtime targeted observations along with some lasercomm turrets.

Interesting thought, I suppose it might have been designed to haul Kuiper satellites to their final orbits, but may as well open it up to the general market.
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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #35 on: 10/26/2023 12:18 am »
If you guys really can't help but bash Blue Origin, there is a general discussion thread where you can do that all day. This thread actually has a specific topic.
Your gatekeeping.
We have legitimate doubts about this project and how it affects the company. Thats very germaine to the thread.

Regardless of the purported legitimacy, the effect on the company is about the company not the tug, ipso facto not relevant to this thread.
« Last Edit: 10/26/2023 12:20 am by JCRM »

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #36 on: 10/26/2023 02:44 pm »
If you guys really can't help but bash Blue Origin, there is a general discussion thread where you can do that all day. This thread actually has a specific topic.
Your gatekeeping.
We have legitimate doubts about this project and how it affects the company. Thats very germaine to the thread.

Regardless of the purported legitimacy, the effect on the company is about the company not the tug, ipso facto not relevant to this thread.
These threads are for discussion, not stanning. Which means doubt and criticism belong here.

Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #37 on: 10/26/2023 05:50 pm »
If you guys really can't help but bash Blue Origin, there is a general discussion thread where you can do that all day. This thread actually has a specific topic.
Your gatekeeping.
We have legitimate doubts about this project and how it affects the company. Thats very germaine to the thread.

If you think that saying that posts in the Blue Ring thread should be about Blue ring is gatekeeping, then yes, I am gatekeeping.

You do have legitimate doubts. But if they are doubts about the company rather than doubts about the tug, then there are better places to express them.

This-
No company has the people/money to do every project. This just waters everything down. Blue has been cutting people, so adding another project means something else is losing alot of staff.
-is a good point. I agree with it. But while this point was prompted by the announcement of this tug, it is not a point about this tug. If this was the first such post, I wouldn't mind, but it's like the 4th.
« Last Edit: 10/26/2023 06:00 pm by JEF_300 »
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

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Re: Blue Ring project - Space Tug
« Reply #38 on: 01/23/2024 01:25 am »
Great partner for Blue Ring...quality products...

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