Author Topic: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021  (Read 68052 times)

Online ZachS09

  • Space Savant
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 8393
  • Roanoke, TX
  • Liked: 2339
  • Likes Given: 2053
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #180 on: 11/12/2021 06:34 pm »
Sad update to this: It was just reported that one of the crew members on this flight, Glen de Vries, died in a plane accident yesterday.

https://dailyvoice.com/new-jersey/fairlawn/police-fire/major-ny-tech-company-founder-who-flew-flight-with-shatner-one-of-two-killed-in-nj-plane-crash/819932/

I can't believe it. Only one month after his spaceflight.
Liftoff for St. Jude's! Go Dragon, Go Falcon, Godspeed Inspiration4!

Offline litton4

  • Member
  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 596
  • Liked: 390
  • Likes Given: 148
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #181 on: 11/12/2021 08:59 pm »
Just saw this - all the "jokes" about Red shirts notwithstanding.....

RIP
Dave Condliffe

Offline Rondaz

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 27059
  • Liked: 5301
  • Likes Given: 169
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #182 on: 11/13/2021 01:17 am »
Space tourist Blue Origin crashes in the fall of a light aircraft.

Blue Origin space tourist Glen de Vries crashes in light-engine plane crash.

01:10 11/13/2021

WASHINGTON, November 13 - RIA Novosti. Businessman Glen de Vries, who made a suborbital flight on the New Shepard in October, died in a plane crash, Blue Origin reported on Friday.

"We are saddened to hear of the sudden death of Glen de Vries, he brought so much life and energy to the entire Blue Origin team and the entire crew. His love of aviation, his charitable work and his dedication to his cause will long be respected and admired," the company wrote in your Twitter .

As reported by CNN , citing New Jersey State Police , the accident occurred on Thursday in the Hampton area, 65 kilometers from New York . The light-engine aircraft Cessna 172, for an unknown reason, crashed into a forest belt. The Transportation Security Administration is investigating the incident.

In the cockpit, in addition to 49-year-old de Vreis, there was 54-year-old Thomas Fischer, a hereditary aviation instructor and head of Fischer Aviation, where de Vreis took flight lessons since 2016. Fischer, according to media reports, also died.

Glen de Vries visited the border with space on October 13. He flew alongside 90-year-old actor William Shatner, Blue Origin vice president Audrey Powers and former NASA engineer Chris Boshuizen. After the flight, the head of Blue Origin, Jeff Bezos , who himself went into space last summer, personally presented the newly minted astronauts with special badges. The cost of the flight into space, de Vries, who founded the software company Medidata Solutions, did not disclose, but said it was "worth it."

https://ria.ru/20211113/padenie-1758866630.html

Online yg1968

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 17173
  • Liked: 7027
  • Likes Given: 3021

Offline FutureSpaceTourist

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47313
  • UK
    • Plan 28
  • Liked: 80124
  • Likes Given: 36283
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #184 on: 10/07/2022 04:38 pm »
https://twitter.com/variety/status/1578263858094841856

Quote
In an exclusive excerpt from William Shatner’s new book, “Boldly Go: Reflections on a Life of Awe and Wonder,” the “Star Trek” actor reflects on his voyage into space on Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle

https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/william-shatner-space-boldly-go-excerpt-1235395113/

twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1578423383380951042

Quote
"It was among the strongest feelings of grief I have ever encountered. The contrast between the vicious coldness of space and the warm nurturing of Earth below filled me with overwhelming sadness ... My trip to space was supposed to be a celebration ... it felt like a funeral."

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/1578424117954576384

Quote
The honesty and lack of sugarcoating from @WilliamShatner in this piece is something to take in, savor, and appreciate. Earth is a precious jewel in the lonely cosmos. As we expand as a species we need to protect it. I hope—but am far from certain—that humanity is up to the task.

Offline FutureSpaceTourist

  • Global Moderator
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 47313
  • UK
    • Plan 28
  • Liked: 80124
  • Likes Given: 36283
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #185 on: 10/18/2022 05:43 am »

Offline Hamish.Student

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 389
  • Liked: 426
  • Likes Given: 464
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #186 on: 10/18/2022 11:30 am »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.

Offline whitelancer64

Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #187 on: 10/18/2022 03:43 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.

By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
"One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree -- make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to." - Elon Musk
"There are lies, damned lies, and launch schedules." - Larry J

Online LouScheffer

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3365
  • Liked: 6058
  • Likes Given: 825
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #188 on: 10/18/2022 03:54 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.
By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
Not only that, but anything in free fall (including you jumping off your desk) is technically in orbit.  It's just an orbit with a low perigee that intersects the Earth's surface.  So technically the passengers not only flew on Bezos' space shuttle, they went into orbit.

Online DanClemmensen

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5318
  • Earth (currently)
  • Liked: 4156
  • Likes Given: 1672
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #189 on: 10/18/2022 04:29 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.

By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
I disagree. For all shuttles I can think of, a shuttle goes from point A to point B in one trip, and from point B back to point A in a separate trip. If you come back to where you started without getting out of the vehicle, your trip is not a shuttle trip.

Offline deadman1204

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1741
  • USA
  • Liked: 1453
  • Likes Given: 2458
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #190 on: 10/18/2022 06:37 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.
By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
Not only that, but anything in free fall (including you jumping off your desk) is technically in orbit.  It's just an orbit with a low perigee that intersects the Earth's surface.  So technically the passengers not only flew on Bezos' space shuttle, they went into orbit.
No, orbit has a very specific definition. There is literally nothing orbital about NS (or people jumping off of desks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit
Basically a curved trajectory that goes AROUND a celestial body. If the path collides with the body, its not an orbital path.
« Last Edit: 10/18/2022 06:39 pm by deadman1204 »

Online LouScheffer

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3365
  • Liked: 6058
  • Likes Given: 825
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #191 on: 10/19/2022 01:42 am »
Not only that, but anything in free fall (including you jumping off your desk) is technically in orbit.  It's just an orbit with a low perigee that intersects the Earth's surface.  So technically the passengers not only flew on Bezos' space shuttle, they went into orbit.
No, orbit has a very specific definition. There is literally nothing orbital about NS (or people jumping off of desks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit
Basically a curved trajectory that goes AROUND a celestial body. If the path collides with the body, its not an orbital path.
You are using common sense, as opposed to the pointless technicality we are deliberately using here.  From the exact article you quoted 'All these motions are actually "orbits" in a technical sense—they are describing a portion of an elliptical path around the center of gravity—but the orbits are interrupted by striking the Earth.'

Offline deadman1204

  • Full Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1741
  • USA
  • Liked: 1453
  • Likes Given: 2458
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #192 on: 10/19/2022 01:32 pm »
Not only that, but anything in free fall (including you jumping off your desk) is technically in orbit.  It's just an orbit with a low perigee that intersects the Earth's surface.  So technically the passengers not only flew on Bezos' space shuttle, they went into orbit.
No, orbit has a very specific definition. There is literally nothing orbital about NS (or people jumping off of desks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit
Basically a curved trajectory that goes AROUND a celestial body. If the path collides with the body, its not an orbital path.
You are using common sense, as opposed to the pointless technicality we are deliberately using here.  From the exact article you quoted 'All these motions are actually "orbits" in a technical sense—they are describing a portion of an elliptical path around the center of gravity—but the orbits are interrupted by striking the Earth.'
::)

Offline whitelancer64

Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #193 on: 10/19/2022 02:56 pm »
Not only that, but anything in free fall (including you jumping off your desk) is technically in orbit.  It's just an orbit with a low perigee that intersects the Earth's surface.  So technically the passengers not only flew on Bezos' space shuttle, they went into orbit.
No, orbit has a very specific definition. There is literally nothing orbital about NS (or people jumping off of desks).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit
Basically a curved trajectory that goes AROUND a celestial body. If the path collides with the body, its not an orbital path.
You are using common sense, as opposed to the pointless technicality we are deliberately using here.  From the exact article you quoted 'All these motions are actually "orbits" in a technical sense—they are describing a portion of an elliptical path around the center of gravity—but the orbits are interrupted by striking the Earth.'
"One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree -- make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to." - Elon Musk
"There are lies, damned lies, and launch schedules." - Larry J

Offline whitelancer64

Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #194 on: 10/19/2022 06:02 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.

By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
I disagree. For all shuttles I can think of, a shuttle goes from point A to point B in one trip, and from point B back to point A in a separate trip. If you come back to where you started without getting out of the vehicle, your trip is not a shuttle trip.

By that definition, for many of its flights, the Space Shuttle was not a shuttle.
"One bit of advice: it is important to view knowledge as sort of a semantic tree -- make sure you understand the fundamental principles, ie the trunk and big branches, before you get into the leaves/details or there is nothing for them to hang on to." - Elon Musk
"There are lies, damned lies, and launch schedules." - Larry J

Online DanClemmensen

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5318
  • Earth (currently)
  • Liked: 4156
  • Likes Given: 1672
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - NET 13 October 2021
« Reply #195 on: 10/19/2022 06:20 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.


By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
I disagree. For all shuttles I can think of, a shuttle goes from point A to point B in one trip, and from point B back to point A in a separate trip. If you come back to where you started without getting out of the vehicle, your trip is not a shuttle trip.

By that definition, for many of its flights, the Space Shuttle was not a shuttle.
Shuttle describes a function, not a vehicle. A vehicle that typically performs the shuttle function is often called a shuttle. the same vehicle can perform other functions. Compare "airport shuttle" and shuttle flights between DC and New York. New Shepard cannot perform the shuttle function and will never perform the shuttle function. You are correct: the STS did not always perform the shuttle function.

Offline meekGee

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14107
  • N. California
  • Liked: 13974
  • Likes Given: 1389
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #196 on: 10/19/2022 06:42 pm »
Quote
Jeff Bezos’ Blue Origin space shuttle
   
 
I know this is Variety we are talking about, but come on.


By the definition of a shuttle -- a vehicle that goes from one place to another and back again -- and since the New Shepard capsule does surpass 100 km altitude and therefore goes to space, it's technically correct to call it a space shuttle.
I disagree. For all shuttles I can think of, a shuttle goes from point A to point B in one trip, and from point B back to point A in a separate trip. If you come back to where you started without getting out of the vehicle, your trip is not a shuttle trip.

By that definition, for many of its flights, the Space Shuttle was not a shuttle.
Shuttle describes a function, not a vehicle. A vehicle that typically performs the shuttle function is often called a shuttle. the same vehicle can perform other functions. Compare "airport shuttle" and shuttle flights between DC and New York. New Shepard cannot perform the shuttle function and will never perform the shuttle function. You are correct: the STS did not always perform the shuttle function.
Besides, it also stayed at "point B" until it was decided that it needs to come back.

NS pops up and immediately falls back down.

But again, BO fans can play word games until the cows come home. Let NS be a "shuttle", let the people inside be "astronauts" or even "Jedi Knights" if they want to... It doesn't change anything.
ABCD - Always Be Counting Down

Online LouScheffer

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3365
  • Liked: 6058
  • Likes Given: 825
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #197 on: 10/19/2022 07:23 pm »
But again, BO fans can play word games until the cows come home. Let NS be a "shuttle", let the people inside be "astronauts" or even "Jedi Knights" if they want to... It doesn't change anything.
That's how you tell it's a slow news day - people who should know better (including myself) engage in pointless semantic arguments.  We'd rather be arguing over accident causes, recovery plans, return to flight schedules, and so on, but there is no news from the information black hole that is BO.
« Last Edit: 10/19/2022 08:03 pm by LouScheffer »

Offline meekGee

  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14107
  • N. California
  • Liked: 13974
  • Likes Given: 1389
Re: New Shepard - NS-18 Crewed - 13 October 2021
« Reply #198 on: 10/19/2022 08:06 pm »
But again, BO fans can play word games until the cows come home. Let NS be a "shuttle", let the people inside be "astronauts" or even "Jedi Knights" if they want to... It doesn't change anything.
That's how you tell it's a slow news day - people who should know better (including myself) engage in pointless semantic arguments.  We'd rather be arguing over accident causes, recovery plans, return to flight schedules, and so on, but there is no news from the information black hole that is BO.
Forget "should know better"...  I actually have a job, implausible as it may sound.
ABCD - Always Be Counting Down

 

Advertisement NovaTech
Advertisement Northrop Grumman
Advertisement
Advertisement Margaritaville Beach Resort South Padre Island
Advertisement Brady Kenniston
Advertisement NextSpaceflight
Advertisement Nathan Barker Photography
1