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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #100 on: 08/17/2023 02:23 pm »
If that image of the CERT-2 engine, in final assembly, was taken recently, than it means that Tory's earlier statement about Blue having built "dozens" of BE-4, applies mostly to development, test and qualification engines. Not so much flight engines.

Keep in mind that one of the two engines for the second flight was lost and this is its replacement, likely one of the ones intended for the third flight that is being brought forward. Also keep in mind in the engine lost was from Kent. That this one is from Huntsville is telling since it looks like there is a strong push to get away from Kent and into full proper production with Huntsville, which has much greater capacity.

In a more recent Blue Origin video, we saw an engine that was much closer to completion than that one; I had pointed out that the turbopump machinery in that one was installed installed on the gaseous oxygen dome. The one in the Tory Bruno photo does not have any.

For comparison An engine in final assembly at Huntsville behind Devin Gardner (5 months ago); close up of one with turbopumps in the Jordan Stewart video (4 weeks ago); the Dan Caughran photo (today):
None of this addresses the contradiction. Why will they use an engine that has not yet be completed if they have "dozens" of completed engines to choose from? The implication is that those "dozens" will never be used.  There is nothing particularly wrong with this. It can apparently be a good way to develop engines (e.g., Raptor). But it contradicts the implication of Tory's earlier comment.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #101 on: 08/17/2023 02:51 pm »
If that image of the CERT-2 engine, in final assembly, was taken recently, than it means that Tory's earlier statement about Blue having built "dozens" of BE-4, applies mostly to development, test and qualification engines. Not so much flight engines.

Keep in mind that one of the two engines for the second flight was lost and this is its replacement, likely one of the ones intended for the third flight that is being brought forward.

It Tory's statement, about Blue having built dozens of BE'4s, was about flight engines, than it would have been easy to re-assign an already built "later" flight engine as the "new" second engine for CERT-2. The fact that in reality an entirely new engine needs to be built, is a clear indicator that Tory's statement was not about flight engines only. At least, not for Vulcan.
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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #102 on: 08/17/2023 05:46 pm »
I don't recall him saying that dozens had been built, just that a dozen (12) prior engines to the Cert-2 FE-3 engine had passed ATP, and in twitter posts he said that "many others had passed ATP"

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1678881522651373568

We do know that dozens are in work as evidenced by the regen room video and photos. If he really at some point had actually said that dozens had been built, both development, qual, and flight, then that helps to put to rest that little myth that only a handful of BE-4s have ever been built.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #103 on: 08/17/2023 08:30 pm »
If that image of the CERT-2 engine, in final assembly, was taken recently, than it means that Tory's earlier statement about Blue having built "dozens" of BE-4, applies mostly to development, test and qualification engines. Not so much flight engines.

Keep in mind that one of the two engines for the second flight was lost and this is its replacement, likely one of the ones intended for the third flight that is being brought forward. Also keep in mind in the engine lost was from Kent. That this one is from Huntsville is telling since it looks like there is a strong push to get away from Kent and into full proper production with Huntsville, which has much greater capacity.

In a more recent Blue Origin video, we saw an engine that was much closer to completion than that one; I had pointed out that the turbopump machinery in that one was installed installed on the gaseous oxygen dome. The one in the Tory Bruno photo does not have any.

For comparison An engine in final assembly at Huntsville behind Devin Gardner (5 months ago); close up of one with turbopumps in the Jordan Stewart video (4 weeks ago); the Dan Caughran photo (today):
None of this addresses the contradiction. Why will they use an engine that has not yet be completed if they have "dozens" of completed engines to choose from? The implication is that those "dozens" will never be used.  There is nothing particularly wrong with this. It can apparently be a good way to develop engines (e.g., Raptor). But it contradicts the implication of Tory's earlier comment.

Please pay attention to the images. There are three distinctly different BE-4s that were worked on sometime from up to 8 months ago. All three of them have occupied the same final assembly bay at different times within that approximate time frame. Only one of them is specifically identified as for Cert-2. The other two are a mystery. It is also a contradiction to a tweet from Tory Bruno from some time ago and interviews with him where he stated that the first engine sets would be exclusively from Kent. So it appears that Huntsville may be doing well enough that it is overtaking Kent on BE-4 flight engine production, and hence possibly explaining some of the recent 4670 test stand activity.
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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #104 on: 08/18/2023 12:24 am »
It is now confirmed that BE-4 production at Huntsville is outpacing that at Kent, hence the Cert-2 engine being built there:

https://twitter.com/torybruno/status/1692329409561427993

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #105 on: 08/18/2023 11:13 am »
It is now confirmed that BE-4 production at Huntsville is outpacing that at Kent, hence the Cert-2 engine being built there:


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"Huntsville is coming up faster" could mean that production line at Huntsville is being put into action faster than originally anticipated, not that it is actually producing engines faster (yet).

Personally, I'd be glad to be cert testing an engine from the final production line, instead of both from the development line.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #106 on: 08/18/2023 04:51 pm »
Huntsville has been producing engines for a while now. Their first engine off the line proper was Qual-1 last year and since then with its success on the test stands, they've been allowed to go into full production earlier this year, and they're really ramping it up after qual testing was finished. As Robert points out, you can see Final Assembly Bay 3  processed at least three engines in the last 8 months time.

So, it makes sense in both ways; it's coming online faster and it's producing engines faster. You saw that regen floor video and now the recent photos. It's just cranking out parts. This is not a surprise given it is built to not be an R&D shop but a production one.

Hopefully, Blue will be more forthcoming in the very near future about the engine firings being conducted at 4670.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #107 on: 08/21/2023 10:31 am »

So, it makes sense in both ways; it's coming online faster and it's producing engines faster.
Absolutely makes sense both ways, which is why you should not claim it proves the most optimistic of the two interpretations.

I fully believe if it isn't producing engines faster yet, it will be soon.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #108 on: 08/21/2023 08:23 pm »
Huntsville has been producing engines for a while now. Their first engine off the line proper was Qual-1 last year and since then with its success on the test stands, they've been allowed to go into full production earlier this year, and they're really ramping it up after qual testing was finished. As Robert points out, you can see Final Assembly Bay 3  processed at least three engines in the last 8 months time.

So, it makes sense in both ways; it's coming online faster and it's producing engines faster. You saw that regen floor video and now the recent photos. It's just cranking out parts. This is not a surprise given it is built to not be an R&D shop but a production one.

Hopefully, Blue will be more forthcoming in the very near future about the engine firings being conducted at 4670.


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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #109 on: 08/22/2023 04:09 am »
Huntsville has been producing engines for a while now. Their first engine off the line proper was Qual-1 last year and since then with its success on the test stands, they've been allowed to go into full production earlier this year, and they're really ramping it up after qual testing was finished. As Robert points out, you can see Final Assembly Bay 3  processed at least three engines in the last 8 months time.

So, it makes sense in both ways; it's coming online faster and it's producing engines faster. You saw that regen floor video and now the recent photos. It's just cranking out parts. This is not a surprise given it is built to not be an R&D shop but a production one.

Hopefully, Blue will be more forthcoming in the very near future about the engine firings being conducted at 4670.


The Huntsville factory ampliation is finish already?

No, but Huntsville has finally gotten in gear with what it has currently. So it's naturally overtaking and surpassing Kent.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #110 on: 10/27/2023 02:18 pm »
https://twitter.com/senbillnelson/status/1717904201617908137

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #111 on: 11/08/2023 06:31 pm »
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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #112 on: 11/17/2023 12:10 am »
Multiple test firings tonight after not hearing them for several weeks. I will say the low frequency is significantly louder to the west of the stand and you can still clearly hear the turbopumps spin up and shut down over 7 km away. I saw several LH2 tankers heading towards the stand area today, so I wonder if this is still 3U testing.

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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #113 on: 11/17/2023 12:31 am »
I assume it is still 3U (I kinda wish I was closer, I've only heard it once a few weeks ago). BE-4 should be very noticeable when they finally get to it. It is ~half the thrust of an Atlas V and there are houses closer to 4670 than you can get to the ULA pad at Vandenberg, I bet people are going to *feel* it.
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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #115 on: 12/12/2023 10:23 pm »
A video covering the Huntsville factory.


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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #116 on: 12/16/2023 04:42 pm »


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Re: Blue Origin's Huntsville Engine Factory
« Reply #117 on: 01/07/2024 02:58 pm »
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