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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #360 on: 10/04/2023 02:41 pm »
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1709305024998936949

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The Orbital Reef team is actively designing and testing several deliverables to NASA for our CLD Phase 1 contract -- and we’re excited about how this work will help shape CLD Phase 2. Stay tuned for more LEO destination updates soon!
I have a very hard time taking this as anything but corporate pr fud.
They haven't hired anyone for over a year. The partnership is breaking up. Its been said all over that bezos is not interested in leo. The management of the project is quitting. Both companies have drawn all their resources into other projects.

Blue Reef is dead in all but name

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #361 on: 10/04/2023 05:00 pm »
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The Orbital Reef team is actively designing and testing several deliverables to NASA for our CLD Phase 1 contract -- and we’re excited about how this work will help shape CLD Phase 2. Stay tuned for more LEO destination updates soon!
I have a very hard time taking this as anything but corporate pr fud.
They haven't hired anyone for over a year. The partnership is breaking up. Its been said all over that bezos is not interested in leo. The management of the project is quitting. Both companies have drawn all their resources into other projects.

Blue Reef is dead in all but name

I don't think "FUD" is the right term here.

They probably have enough people on it to finish work on anything that's close enough to completion to get the NASA milestone payments, at the very least.
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #362 on: 10/04/2023 09:08 pm »
I suspect the issue killing this is that they have been out looking for tenants to lease space on the station and just have not been finding enough interest to fund the development.  Prior to the mass exodus from office buildings, developers would lock down some key anchor tenants before they go ahead with building office buildings.  If Orbital Reef had enough solid interest from potential tenants, they would be full speed ahead.

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #363 on: 10/04/2023 11:30 pm »
I don't think "FUD" is the right term here.

I believe the corporate PR term of art you're looking for is "happy horsesh*t".

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #364 on: 10/05/2023 10:52 am »
I suspect the issue killing this is that they have been out looking for tenants to lease space on the station and just have not been finding enough interest to fund the development.  Prior to the mass exodus from office buildings, developers would lock down some key anchor tenants before they go ahead with building office buildings.  If Orbital Reef had enough solid interest from potential tenants, they would be full speed ahead.

Considering NASA has already allotted a quarter of a billion dollars before construction even starts, and Bezos vowed to spend at least a billion a year on moving humans into space, not having an anchor tenant once again seems like Blues problem of being utterly uncommitted to its ostensible purpose. If Blue was serious, it would be a question of who else might come along, not finding someone else to do the heavy lifting in the first place.
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #365 on: 10/06/2023 04:32 am »
I suspect the issue killing this is that they have been out looking for tenants to lease space on the station and just have not been finding enough interest to fund the development.  Prior to the mass exodus from office buildings, developers would lock down some key anchor tenants before they go ahead with building office buildings.  If Orbital Reef had enough solid interest from potential tenants, they would be full speed ahead.

Considering NASA has already allotted a quarter of a billion dollars before construction even starts, and Bezos vowed to spend at least a billion a year on moving humans into space, not having an anchor tenant once again seems like Blues problem of being utterly uncommitted to its ostensible purpose. If Blue was serious, it would be a question of who else might come along, not finding someone else to do the heavy lifting in the first place.
I think Bezos seriously thought there would be a bigger demand for use of a LEO station than he has found.  He has a lot of expensive development work yet to finish on New Glenn and his HLS solution.  He doesn't need Orbital Reef becoming a big money sucking pit right now even as rich as he is.  It may be that there may not be that much demand beyond what Axiom will be offering in LEO station space for a while.  If that's the case, Blue would be smart to focus on getting New Glenn and their lunar lander done and delay Orbital Reef to some time down the road when demand is there.

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #366 on: 10/06/2023 12:14 pm »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1710252608533811437

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Blue Origin has a new “Destinations” section on its website: https://www.blueorigin.com/destinations h/t @jenakuns

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #367 on: 10/10/2023 03:56 pm »
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1711772366852804850

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We’re fully committed to working with NASA to ensure a continued human presence in low Earth orbit. @SierraSpaceCo is a big part of this effort and continues to provide deliverables for our NASA CLD Phase 1 contract. We’re all in on CLD Phase 2.

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #368 on: 10/10/2023 04:49 pm »
https://twitter.com/SierraSpaceCo/status/1711776920000512344
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We remain committed to @OrbitalReef
 and to the success of @NASA
’s Commercial LEO Destinations (CLD) program. We look forward to the continued milestone progress on the Orbital Reef program and our next successful testing campaign for softgoods space station technology.

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #369 on: 10/11/2023 03:25 pm »
errm... both companies are putting out PR saying "no really, we are still here..."
Yet totally failing to address all the reasons why we think the station is dead in all but name.

Not a good look
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #370 on: 10/11/2023 04:14 pm »
errm... both companies are putting out PR saying "no really, we are still here..."
Yet totally failing to address all the reasons why we think the station is dead in all but name.

Not a good look
They're also very sparing in what they say.
BO is committed to human presence in LEO, but only mentions SN in relation to CLD phase 1.  For phase 2, it's just "we".

SN is similarly minimal, only really committing to existing milestones.

Sort of how to leave the building without heading for the exits.
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #371 on: 10/12/2023 02:43 pm »
errm... both companies are putting out PR saying "no really, we are still here..."
Yet totally failing to address all the reasons why we think the station is dead in all but name.

Not a good look
They're also very sparing in what they say.
BO is committed to human presence in LEO, but only mentions SN in relation to CLD phase 1.  For phase 2, it's just "we".

SN is similarly minimal, only really committing to existing milestones.

Sort of how to leave the building without heading for the exits.
I totally ignore the "committed to human presence in LEO". That is 100% a PR and marketing line.
They are committed to doing space things they can get gov contracts for. Just like every other space company

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #372 on: 10/13/2023 01:15 am »
errm... both companies are putting out PR saying "no really, we are still here..."
Yet totally failing to address all the reasons why we think the station is dead in all but name.

Not a good look
They're also very sparing in what they say.
BO is committed to human presence in LEO, but only mentions SN in relation to CLD phase 1.  For phase 2, it's just "we".

SN is similarly minimal, only really committing to existing milestones.

Sort of how to leave the building without heading for the exits.
I totally ignore the "committed to human presence in LEO". That is 100% a PR and marketing line.
They are committed to doing space things they can get gov contracts for. Just like every other space company
Nothing wrong with gov jobs, as long as they serve the purpose for which your company was formed.

Some companies (e.g. BO) do have a purpose other than just being a contractor.
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #373 on: 10/28/2023 05:51 am »
https://twitter.com/spaceequities/status/1717926863958405259

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Blue Origin has updated the landing page of it's website, deleting the mention and link towards the Orbital Reef webpage, another of several rumours that indicate that the partnership with Sierra Space for Orbital Reef may be coming to an end. -@normp9dd

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #374 on: 10/28/2023 02:42 pm »
https://twitter.com/spaceequities/status/1717926863958405259

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Blue Origin has updated the landing page of it's website, deleting the mention and link towards the Orbital Reef webpage, another of several rumours that indicate that the partnership with Sierra Space for Orbital Reef may be coming to an end. -@normp9dd
Still "fully committed" though.  Sometimes it's better when they don't talk. Why do they even bother?
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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #375 on: 11/06/2023 04:21 pm »
https://twitter.com/blueorigin/status/1721577119359328324
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A room with a view! The Orbital Reef team is testing windows that are about twice the size of a car windshield as part of our mixed-use destinations development effort with NASA in low Earth orbit.


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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #376 on: 11/06/2023 11:21 pm »
https://twitter.com/spaceequities/status/1717926863958405259

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Blue Origin has updated the landing page of it's website, deleting the mention and link towards the Orbital Reef webpage, another of several rumours that indicate that the partnership with Sierra Space for Orbital Reef may be coming to an end. -@normp9dd
Still "fully committed" though.  Sometimes it's better when they don't talk. Why do they even bother?

Blue Origin will continue to invest in whatever project they had in development, regardless of whether they have another company involved or not. i.e they did not stop development of New Glenn when the air force stopped contributing to it, They didnt stop HLS when they lost out on the Artemis III mission. I doubt they will suddenly change their position because of any changes with Sierra Space.


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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #377 on: 11/13/2023 03:05 pm »

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Re: Blue Origin Orbital Habitats
« Reply #378 on: 12/13/2023 06:07 am »
https://twitter.com/thesheetztweetz/status/1734696159652835533

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Orbital Reef is no longer a standalone website, now redirecting to Blue Origin's "Destinations" webpage: orbitalreef.com

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