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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #80 on: 06/16/2023 01:04 pm »
So, how many ways to orbit is NASA colloborating to get built?  They have Dragon II, and Starliner if it ever gets operational.  They may have Dreamchaser in the near future.  Any others?

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #81 on: 06/17/2023 03:05 pm »
So, how many ways to orbit is NASA colloborating to get built?  They have Dragon II, and Starliner if it ever gets operational.  They may have Dreamchaser in the near future.  Any others?
Starship and something from Blue.

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #82 on: 06/17/2023 06:45 pm »
So, how many ways to orbit is NASA colloborating to get built?  They have Dragon II, and Starliner if it ever gets operational.  They may have Dreamchaser in the near future.  Any others?
Starship and something from Blue.

Blue had a biconic capsule concept they were working on back in the CCDev days. https://www.space.com/11457-blue-origin-commercial-crew-development.html

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #83 on: 06/17/2023 07:19 pm »
Honestly I think Blue's inclusion is just for New Glenn. That article from NASA says the initiative, "is designed to advance commercial space-related efforts through NASA contributions of technical expertise, assessments, lessons learned, technologies, and data." There's no reason to think it's anything new.
Wait, ∆V? This site will accept the ∆ symbol? How many times have I written out the word "delta" for no reason?

Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #84 on: 06/18/2023 01:31 pm »
Honestly I think Blue's inclusion is just for New Glenn. That article from NASA says the initiative, "is designed to advance commercial space-related efforts through NASA contributions of technical expertise, assessments, lessons learned, technologies, and data." There's no reason to think it's anything new.

Agreed. In looking at all the awards made, I think this is for getting New Glenn certified for uncrewed cargo and manned flights in association with Dream Chaser to Orbital Reef, if it ever happens, and moon support missions.

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #85 on: 06/20/2023 02:38 am »
Honestly I think Blue's inclusion is just for New Glenn. That article from NASA says the initiative, "is designed to advance commercial space-related efforts through NASA contributions of technical expertise, assessments, lessons learned, technologies, and data." There's no reason to think it's anything new.

Agreed. In looking at all the awards made, I think this is for getting New Glenn certified for uncrewed cargo and manned flights in association with Dream Chaser to Orbital Reef, if it ever happens, and moon support missions.

It could be Starliner as well, Boeing has yet to announce the LV that they would like to use for the Commercial LEO Destinations program.

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #86 on: 06/20/2023 03:00 am »
A search under the umbrella SAA (SAA2-403403) lead me to this 2020 document which talks about a Blue Origin Crew Capsule:

https://www.nasa.gov/saa/domestic/32252_SAA2-403403%20Annex%202%20Fully%20Execcuted.pdf

Quote from: 2020 SAA
This Annex shall be for the purpose of providing forced oscillation testing support in the Transonic Dynamics Tunnel (TDT) for the Blue Origin Crew Capsule. NASA LaRC will support Blue Origin in this development by providing aerodynamic testing services in order to produce static and dynamic stability data for the capsule.

The agreement above seems to expire on July 13, 2023. Se page 183 of this PDF:
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/house_approps_action_domestic_nonfed_saas_active_as_of_9-30-2022.pdf

A search under the same umbrella SAA leads me to another unfunded SAA (Annex 4 of SAA2-403403) for a Blue Origin vehicle (it might not be the same vehicle):
https://www.nasa.gov/saa/domestic/35387_SAA2-403403-4_Blue_Origin_R_A-4_Fully_Executed_032422.pdf

Interestingly, this document has slightly more information on Annex 4 of SAA2-403403:

Quote from: page 26 of the PDF
Annex Four to Reimbursable Umbrella Space Act Agreement Between the National Aeronautics and Space Administration Ames Research Center and Blue Origin, LLC to Support Blue Origin Commercial Space Transportation Development
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/house_approps_action_domestic_nonfed_saas_active_as_of_9-30-2022.pdf

Interestingly, Blue is doing an aerocapture study under Annex 8 of SAA2-403403:

Quote from: page 164 of the PDF
AEROCAPTURE TRADE STUDY - PHASE 1
https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/house_approps_action_domestic_nonfed_saas_active_as_of_9-30-2022.pdf

Here is the Umbrella agreement (SAA2-403403) for their Commercial Space Transportation System:
https://www.nasa.gov/saa/domestic/27616_Fully_Executed_Reimbursable_Umbrella_Space_Act_Agreement_between_NASA_AMES_and_Blue_Origin_7.16.18.pdf
« Last Edit: 06/20/2023 03:43 am by yg1968 »

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #87 on: 07/12/2023 04:10 am »
Seven US Companies Collaborate with NASA to Advance Space Capabilities:
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/seven-us-companies-collaborate-with-nasa-to-advance-space-capabilities

Quote from: NASA
Blue Origin is collaborating with NASA to develop integrated commercial space transportation capability that ensures safe, affordable, and high-frequency US access to orbit for crew and other missions.

The Source Selection Statement has been released and it confirms that Blue is working on a crewed transportation system:
https://www.nasa.gov/jsc/procurement/ccsc2

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #88 on: 07/12/2023 10:33 am »
Annex 8 was the Lunar Clipper aerocapture study, got removed because I guess Blue didn't want it out there maybe? I will admit with the SLD selection and Cislunar Transporter announcement, I am a little confused as to what it was being proposed for. Maybe crew service module? But, that would seemingly be fit by the role of the Common Bus mentioned below.

Quote from: Source Selection description of Blue's human transport system
Crew Transportation System capability which includes its Space Vehicle, Common Bus, New Glenn launch vehicle

And the Common bus sounds like it could be Blue Ring? I remember them saying they wanted to use it for cargo transportation in addition to station module delivery for Orbital Reef, which confused me a little at the time.

Also we might get more details on the CCSC2, because the actual agreements were released with the first CCSC (example). So keep quiet (don't want them to force NASA to hide it) and a look out for them.

It is a interesting question of a. how big and b. how far will they go with this. But I can't help but be like, nah you're broadening yourself to far Blue. Jeff has billions of $, but that doesn't go that far being stretched thin over this many projects with a fat corporate structure weighing down from the top. So I hope they only have a small study team on this to be honest.

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #89 on: 07/13/2023 03:26 am »
Annex 8 was the Lunar Clipper aerocapture study, got removed because I guess Blue didn't want it out there maybe? I will admit with the SLD selection and Cislunar Transporter announcement, I am a little confused as to what it was being proposed for. Maybe crew service module? But, that would seemingly be fit by the role of the Common Bus mentioned below.

Quote from: Source Selection description of Blue's human transport system
Crew Transportation System capability which includes its Space Vehicle, Common Bus, New Glenn launch vehicle

And the Common bus sounds like it could be Blue Ring? I remember them saying they wanted to use it for cargo transportation in addition to station module delivery for Orbital Reef, which confused me a little at the time.

Also we might get more details on the CCSC2, because the actual agreements were released with the first CCSC (example). So keep quiet (don't want them to force NASA to hide it) and a look out for them.

It is a interesting question of a. how big and b. how far will they go with this. But I can't help but be like, nah you're broadening yourself to far Blue. Jeff has billions of $, but that doesn't go that far being stretched thin over this many projects with a fat corporate structure weighing down from the top. So I hope they only have a small study team on this to be honest.

SAAs have to be made public. So, yes I will be made public but heavily redacted again.

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #90 on: 08/05/2023 09:18 pm »
See below concerning NASA working with Blue Origin in a space act agreement on a space transportation system:

[...] (it's at 41 minutes of the audio):

Quote from: the transcript
Steve Stich: [...] And then for our program, we're really excited to have our vehicles, you know, be there, potentially as the backbone for Angela's transportation system. Not only are we working with Boeing and SpaceX, but we've started [Space Act] agreements with other companies to have those transportation systems. Blue Origin, Sierra Space, and also, SpaceX as well with a, a derivative of perhaps Starship or Dragon. So we really want to see our vehicles carry forward. So perhaps, and it's really up to the companies to choose, but in some ways, if you utilize the vehicles we've developed, maybe that can lower the overall cost for them. Now, we have to look at how those vehicles fit into their, their mission needs, how many people that they need to carry, and where they put their space stations and so forth.

https://www.nasa.gov/johnson/HWHAP/300

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #91 on: 09/01/2023 03:58 pm »
https://twitter.com/jenakuns/status/1697442574099947530

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Cool fact: the CSCC2 SAA's have listed near term planned Starship milestones such as:
- First Starship launch with payload Q1 2024
- Successful Starship Recovery Q3 2024
- Starship LEO crewed space station PDR Q4 2028
Also details to the Blue Origin orbital crew capsule timeline.

I think this is the SAA mentioned in the previous post?

Edit to add: a few years before we get to the more interesting milestones
« Last Edit: 09/01/2023 04:02 pm by FutureSpaceTourist »

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Re: Blue Origin Space Capsule/Spacecraft
« Reply #92 on: 09/01/2023 04:04 pm »
https://twitter.com/jenakuns/status/1697609238674366854

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Going through the SAA document listed for Blue includes:
- Friction stir additive manufacturing of parts with lunar ISRU
- vacuum testing of Blue's prototype space vehicle Mk1
-SCIFLI LOFTID Imaging to inform Blue's own reusable upper stage

https://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/atoms/files/ntaa_quarterly_active_agreement_report_as_of_6-30-2023_cr_domestic.pdf

good stuff

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