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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1880 on: 03/06/2017 01:33 pm »
Tory Bruno says hot fire is very soon.

Higher resolution photos also in the BE-4 thread (I didn't spot the tweets had already been posted here).

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1881 on: 03/06/2017 03:47 pm »
The size of this piece of hardware really hammers home the magnitude of the mass this thing is expected to push.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1882 on: 03/06/2017 05:34 pm »
Tory Bruno says hot fire is very soon.

Higher resolution photos also in the BE-4 thread (I didn't spot the tweets had already been posted here).

Is BE-4 the Bezos announcement that was supposed to imminently happen in the news?

Even during that TMRO interview, Mr Bruno hinted at an imminent announcement - was this it?

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1883 on: 03/06/2017 06:12 pm »
Is BE-4 the Bezos announcement that was supposed to imminently happen in the news?

Even during that TMRO interview, Mr Bruno hinted at an imminent announcement - was this it?

Almost certainly not.  Bezos is scheduled to speak at Satellite tomorrow morning.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1884 on: 03/06/2017 07:17 pm »
Talking of staying tuned:

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Jeff Bezos Expected to Unveil Further Plans for Private Space Exploration
Amazon chief likely to disclose new initiatives for his Blue Origin space venture
By Andy Pasztor
Updated March 5, 2017 7:03 p.m. ET

The burgeoning space-transportation company owned by Amazon.com Inc. chairman Jeff Bezos this week is expected to announce some customers and new initiatives, the latest step toward its long-term goal of building rockets powerful enough to penetrate deep into the solar system, according to industry officials.

[...]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/jeff-bezos-expected-to-unveil-further-plans-for-private-space-exploration-1488743790

This refers to Jeff Bezos giving a keynote at Satellite 2017 conference on Tuesday morning.

Some very obvious media politics in play here.

1) Presented as a leak to WSJ (apparently with some Wash Post content which Bezos owns) - but the WSJ article is the one retweeted by Blue Origin leadership (Clay etc).
2) Some slapping of SpaceX in the article, WSJ style.
3) Comment section that has anti-SpaceX comments. "I like Bezos much more than Musk." "I wish Bezos success.  I hope Musk ends up in bankruptcy court" - the latter has been on there 15 hours and hasn't been moderated.

I've seen this tactic before.

Just 'locker room talk'  ;)

Great to have such a vibrant competition underway!  If Blue can outflank SpaceX, more power to them -- cannot hurt to have a competitor that good leading the revival of the industry.  Bezos and Musk are different characters, so some will prefer one over the other -- whatever.  Neither of them can be slighted for being timid; both will have to up their game.
« Last Edit: 03/06/2017 07:18 pm by AncientU »
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Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1885 on: 03/06/2017 08:07 pm »
Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust

.@blueorigin making its presence known at #SATShow

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/838798635081039873

Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust

Yes, @SpaceX has some banners at #SATShow as well.

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/838842231406608384
« Last Edit: 03/06/2017 08:20 pm by Star One »

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1886 on: 03/06/2017 08:23 pm »
Jeff Foust‏ @jeff_foust

.@blueorigin making its presence known at #SATShow

https://mobile.twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/838798635081039873

...

Coming out party time...
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1887 on: 03/07/2017 12:31 pm »
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Jeff Bezos: now over a 1,000-person team working at Blue Origin. #SATSHOW

https://twitter.com/jeff_foust/status/839104746887634944

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1888 on: 03/07/2017 12:36 pm »
Cross-posting as suspect more people follow here, follow-ups in original thread:

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Blue Origin has released a new video promoting the New Glenn rocket. It is like ... whoah.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/839105757194960897



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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1889 on: 03/07/2017 12:38 pm »
Cross-posting as suspect more people follow here, follow-ups in original thread:

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Blue Origin has released a new video promoting the New Glenn rocket. It is like ... whoah.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/839105757194960897



It is like... where have I seen this before...

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1890 on: 03/07/2017 12:47 pm »
It is like... where have I seen this before...

US8678321 B2 perhaps?

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1891 on: 03/07/2017 12:48 pm »
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Blue Origin moves New Shepard from recovery to relaunch with ~$10k in mx costs. Getting very close to rapid repeats. -Bezos #satshow

https://twitter.com/wandrme/status/839106518020665344

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1892 on: 03/07/2017 12:59 pm »
Horizontal integration.
Commercial sat delivery.
Big landing ship.

45 tonnes to LEO, 13 to GTO.
(first comment below above tweet.)

Eutelsat first customer...
(second comment below above tweet.)
2021 launch
« Last Edit: 03/07/2017 01:09 pm by AncientU »
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1893 on: 03/07/2017 01:54 pm »
Press release from Eutelsat:

Eutelsat signs up for Blue Origin’s New Glenn launcher
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Paris, Washington D.C. 7 March 2017 – Eutelsat Communications (NYSE Euronext Paris: ETL) today announced at the Satellite 2017 Convention in Washington D.C. the conclusion of a contract with Blue Origin for a launch on the New Glenn rocket that is expected to initiate flights in 2020.

The new partnership with Blue Origin reflects Eutelsat’s longstanding strategy to source launch services from multiple agencies in order to secure access to space and partner with launch agencies that combine the highest levels of performance, flexibility and competitiveness.

The agreement with Blue Origin covers the launch of a geostationary satellite in the 2021-2022 timeframe. The New Glenn launcher will be compatible with virtually all Eutelsat satellites, giving flexibility to allocate the mission 12 months ahead of launch.

Rodolphe Belmer, Eutelsat CEO, commented on the new relationship with Blue Origin: “Blue Origin has been forthcoming with Eutelsat on its strategy and convinced us they have the right mindset to compete in the launch service industry. Their solid engineering approach, and their policy to develop technologies that will form the base of a broad generation of launchers, corresponds to what we expect from our industrial partners. In including New Glenn in our manifest we are pursuing our longstanding strategy of innovation that drives down the cost of access to space and drives up performance. This can only be good news for the profitability and sustainability of our industry.”

“Eutelsat is one of the world’s most experienced and innovative satellite operators, and we are honoured that they chose Blue Origin and our New Glenn orbital launch vehicle,”
said Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin founder. “Eutelsat has launched satellites on many new vehicles and shares both our methodical approach to engineering and our passion for driving down the cost of access to space. Welcome to the launch manifest, Eutelsat, can’t wait to fly together.”

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1894 on: 03/07/2017 04:05 pm »
FWIW, here's the official response of the New Glenn unveil from Tory Bruno:

Cosmic Penguin‏ @Cosmic_Penguin
@torybruno Given similar performances, do you see any chances of co-operation of @ulalaunch Vulcan w/ @blueorigin New Glenn beyond the BE-4?

Tory Bruno @torybruno

@Cosmic_Penguin @ulalaunch @blueorigin Yes. I think Jeff and I will have an opportunity to discover more through our  BE4 partnership
Astronomy & spaceflight geek penguin. In a relationship w/ Space Shuttle Discovery.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1895 on: 03/07/2017 04:28 pm »
FWIW, here's the official response of the New Glenn unveil from Tory Bruno:

Cosmic Penguin‏ @Cosmic_Penguin
@torybruno Given similar performances, do you see any chances of co-operation of @ulalaunch Vulcan w/ @blueorigin New Glenn beyond the BE-4?

Tory Bruno @torybruno

@Cosmic_Penguin @ulalaunch @blueorigin Yes. I think Jeff and I will have an opportunity to discover more through our  BE4 partnership

@45 mt to LEO & 1st stage reuse the New Glenn would be ideal for delivery prop to support ACES tugs
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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1896 on: 03/07/2017 04:48 pm »
@JeffBezos  15m15 minutes ago

 1st BE-4 engine fully assembled. 2nd and 3rd following close behind. #GradatimFerociter

@JeffBezos  11m11 minutes ago

 Here’s one more shot of BE-4 in its transport cradle.
Rumor is that the 3rd person with beard is actually our own Roadie trying to gather L2 level intell.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1897 on: 03/07/2017 05:11 pm »
Horizontal integration.
Commercial sat delivery.
Big landing ship.

45 tonnes to LEO, 13 to GTO.
(first comment below above tweet.)

Eutelsat first customer...
(second comment below above tweet.)
2021 launch
FWIW, here's the official response of the New Glenn unveil from Tory Bruno:

Cosmic Penguin‏ @Cosmic_Penguin
@torybruno Given similar performances, do you see any chances of co-operation of @ulalaunch Vulcan w/ @blueorigin New Glenn beyond the BE-4?

Tory Bruno @torybruno

@Cosmic_Penguin @ulalaunch @blueorigin Yes. I think Jeff and I will have an opportunity to discover more through our  BE4 partnership

@35 mt to LEO & 1st stage reuse the New Glenn would be ideal for delivery prop to support ACES tugs

Which one is it , 35 or 45 ton to LEO ?
Space is hard immensely complex and high risk !

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1898 on: 03/07/2017 05:18 pm »
45... edited.

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Re: Blue Origin Update and Discussion Thread
« Reply #1899 on: 03/07/2017 08:19 pm »
Cross-posting as suspect more people follow here, follow-ups in original thread:

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Blue Origin has released a new video promoting the New Glenn rocket. It is like ... whoah.

https://twitter.com/sciguyspace/status/839105757194960897



It is like... where have I seen this before...
Perhaps in a 1959 Russian Sci-Fi movie?  Or most Heinlein books.  There's a whole South Park episode on how "The Simpsons did it" first. I think we get way too hung up on thinking that ideas are new, or original...



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