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Thread for the Starlink 2-2 group launch.

NSF Threads for Starlink 2-2: Discussion

Launch TBD, from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station SLC-40, on booster 10xx-x 1060-15.  ASDS landing is expected.

Payload 51? Starlink satellites to 70 degree inclination on a south-southeastern trajectory.  Initial orbit of approximately 230 x 335 km?

Starlink v1.5 satellite mass is now about 300kg after the addition of laser ISL terminals.

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Cross-post:
Starlink 2-2, 70 incl., Florida NET Nov. 30
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Mission 1597 Starlink Group 2-2 from Cape Canaveral FL at LC-40 CCAFS or LC-39a at KSC
North  23  7  38  West  79  5  31  Autonomous Drone Ship
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The landing location on the map:

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Wish that had a scale,  looks less than 20 miles from Cuba, WOW
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32 miles from Cuba.

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32 miles from Cuba.

I think this is similar to Transporter 1 and 4.
My personal opinion is, this is unnecessary, as long as SpaceX has time in Vandenberg to launch Starlink
with 53 inclination. I don't know how the reaction would be in the US if it were the other way around.
What is the plan, if something goes wrong with the reentry burn? Which has already happened. (B1059)
Is it certain the booster can't fall on land?
« Last Edit: 10/31/2022 11:34 am by GWR64 »

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Booster FTS is active until after completion of the entry burn. The booster would be destroyed (if a failed entry burn didn't cause that already) and the fragments would have quite high drag-to-weight so wouldn't reach land.

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32 miles from Cuba.

I think this is similar to Transporter 1 and 4.

Indeed. Transporter 1 landing is blue on the map below, Transporter 4 is orange. Does that imply group 2-2 is not going to a 70 inclined orbit but to 97.6?

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32 miles from Cuba.

I think this is similar to Transporter 1 and 4.

Indeed. Transporter 1 landing is blue on the map below, Transporter 4 is orange. Does that imply group 2-2 is not going to a 70 inclined orbit but to 97.6?

On the transporter missions from Florida, the 2nd stage performed an additional dogleg maneuver,
when passing the southern tip of Florida.
Thank you for comparing the ASDS positions.
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32 miles from Cuba.

I think this is similar to Transporter 1 and 4.

Indeed. Transporter 1 landing is blue on the map below, Transporter 4 is orange. Does that imply group 2-2 is not going to a 70 inclined orbit but to 97.6?

On the transporter missions from Florida, the 2nd stage performed an additional dogleg maneuver,
when passing the southern tip of Florida.
Thank you for comparing the ASDS positions.

Wouldn't it be better to move the landing position closer to the Bahamas when targeting 70 inclination to reduce the degree of dogleg maneuvers?
« Last Edit: 10/31/2022 09:33 pm by OceanCat »

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Could there be a rideshare going to inclination >70? Is even a couple of degrees different possible?

Could that explain odd position? (Seems doubtful to me but I won't know for sure unless I ask.)

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32 miles from Cuba.

I think this is similar to Transporter 1 and 4.

Indeed. Transporter 1 landing is blue on the map below, Transporter 4 is orange. Does that imply group 2-2 is not going to a 70 inclined orbit but to 97.6?

It's a mess, seems like this Group 2-2 filing has the right ASDS location for Group 5-1!

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They are still two planes/launches short of finishing shell 3. Seems odd to start on shell 5 before shell 3 is finished.

Of course, last year everyone was thinking Vandenberg would concentrate on shell 2...
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NextSpaceFlight, updated November 14:
Launch will be from CCSFS SLC-40.  First stage is 1060.15.
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SFN Launch Schedule, updated November 22:
December launch
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Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated November 27:
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Other upcoming launches include more Starlink batches on December TBD.
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NextSpaceflight (Updated 30 November)
No longer lists B1060.15

https://nextspaceflight.com/launches/details/7031
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Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)
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Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)
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Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)

Assuming they "could" do 7 days between launches from SLC-40 (3 times previous), this or Starlink 5-1 could be squeezed in at the end of the year

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Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)

Assuming they "could" do 7 days between launches from SLC-40 (3 times previous), this or Starlink 5-1 could be squeezed in at the end of the year

Worth noting that that would require SpaceX to break through an apparent schedule barrier: they have never launched (from either coast) later than December 23rd or earlier than January 6th.

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Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)

Assuming they "could" do 7 days between launches from SLC-40 (3 times previous), this or Starlink 5-1 could be squeezed in at the end of the year

Worth noting that that would require SpaceX to break through an apparent schedule barrier: they have never launched (from either coast) later than December 23rd or earlier than January 6th.

Yet with this year's launch cadence they could fit in 2 or 3 flights between those dates.
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Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)

Assuming they "could" do 7 days between launches from SLC-40 (3 times previous), this or Starlink 5-1 could be squeezed in at the end of the year

Worth noting that that would require SpaceX to break through an apparent schedule barrier: they have never launched (from either coast) later than December 23rd or earlier than January 6th.

Yet with this year's launch cadence they could fit in 2 or 3 flights between those dates.

In December 2021, SpaceX launched five times in 18 days and then didn't launch at all from Dec 22 to Jan 5. Best evidence yet that's it's probably just the only holiday season SpaceX takes seriously, made easier to rationalize by the increase in airspace closures and the range's  own holiday limitations.

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I think we have had scheduled launch dates between ~28 Dec and ~31 Dec.

While 11Dec to 16 Dec is possible because Hakuto is RTLS, if both droneships are used on 16th (21:21 UTC) and 17th then I am not sure there is time for a droneship to be ready on 23rd and even that would involve maritime crew at sea on 25th. 24th seems unlikely due to travel restrictions which likely continue at least through 26th?

I am not ruling out one more launch from pad 40 after 16th Dec, but two launches seems highly improbable.


2 Transporter mission have been to drone ship, 3 RTLS. 22/23rd and 30/31 looks more doable if Transporter 6 is RTLS. Do we know for certain if Transporter 6 is RTLS?

Launch Photography has  "Upcoming launches include more Starlink batches" before the January launches, so perhaps that is a indicator that two more pad 40 launches is under consideration.
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Transporter 6 would be RTLS so that would give extra time to reset the ASDSs

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Transporter-6 is scheduled to launch December NET the 27th 22 from SLC-40, LZ-1 first stage landing--no ASDS out and back.

Unless there is an unlikely open launch slot at LC-39A in late December, this launch will be NET January.  (Unlikely because there are perhaps two Falcon Heavy launches from there in January, and perhaps three Falcon launches total--a full schedule.)

The Starlink 2-2 launch between Christmas and New Year's is plausible.  ~Dec 30?
Is this launch NET January?
Cross-post re: Starlink 4-37, noting no changes today regarding Starlink 2-2:
SFN Launch Schedule, updated December 5:
Launch date TBD.  (No change to the Starlink 2-2 listing.)

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If this is still planned for December, LC-39A seems to be the more likely launch pad.

Unless Transporter-6 has slipped into January, in which case SLC-40 is also an option for Starlink.

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A chance that this launch will proceed from SLC-40 in late December, after mPower and before Transporter-6?  Circa December 23?

A prompt turnaround would be required for one of the ASDS after the December 16 launches.

What are the FAA cutout days for Christmas and New Year's holidays?

Dec 16
(~Dec 23)
Jan 2

Unless Transporter-6 has slipped into January, in which case SLC-40 is also an option for Starlink.

Cross-post:
Launch date of Transporter-6 was moved to Jan 02, 2023.
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Starlink 2-2 takes Transporter-6's place in the SLC-40 launch queue:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated late in the day December 14:
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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on late December.
Before or after Christmas? 🎄
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Starlink 2-2 takes Transporter-6's place in the SLC-40 launch queue:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated late in the day December 14:
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A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch from pad 40 on late December.
Before or after Christmas? 🎄

Starlink 2-2 slipped to January and it's Starlink 5-1 that's planned for late December (specifically Dec 28), as per Spaceflight Now and Next Spaceflight.

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Starlink 2-2 slipped to January and it's Starlink 5-1 that's planned for late December (specifically Dec 28), as per Spaceflight Now and Next Spaceflight.

Information updated during the hours between my post and scroochy's post.

NextSpaceFlight, updated December 15:
Launch NET January, still SLC-40



There is time for a launch campaign between the January 2 launch of Transporter-6 and the January 18 launch of GPS III-6.

Starlink 2-2 might launch during this opportunity?

Neither Transporter-6 nor USSF-44 will use ASDS for first stage landings, so ASDS availability will not gate launch timing.



What first stage will launch this flight?

Available first stages and most recent landing date:
1052.8    Sep 5 (last use before modifications to return to a Falcon Heavy side booster to launch ViaSat-3 Americas NET January)
1060.15  Oct 8  (Transporter-6)
1062.11  Oct 20  (Starlink 5-1)
1076.2    Nov 26  (OneWeb Flight 16)
1069.5    Dec 8
1073.6    Dec 11  (Amazonas Nexus)
1067.9    Dec 16
1058.16  Dec 17
1062.12  Dec 28
1060.16  Jan 3  (n/a due to deep-dive examination?)

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Starlink 2-2 might launch during this opportunity?

Early Jan for Oneweb from pad 40 per Launch photography (Dec 16 update) makes that a better bet.

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Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated December 17:
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A Falcon 9 will launch a batch of OneWeb internet satellites from pad 40 on early January TBD. The first stage will land back at the Cape. <snip> And a Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch GPS III-6 for the U.S. Space Force on January 18.
And, no mention of upcoming Starlink launches from either LC-39A or SLC-40.

So, I suspect NET late January, after GPS III-6, from SLC-40.
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So, I suspect NET late January, after GPS III-6, from SLC-40.

Belated cross-post:
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated December 25, my bold:
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FALCON 9
...A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch GPS III-6 for the U.S. Space Force on January 18. Upcoming launches include more Starlink batches. A Falcon 9 from pad 40 will launch the Amazonas Nexus satellite for Hispasat on late January or February...

After GPS III-6 and before Amazonas Nexus?
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GPS3-6
A starlink launch
Amazonas Nexus

all from pad 40, with drone ship landings, would seem to push Amazonas Nexus to Feb not late Jan. (perhaps esp if there is also a starlink launch from 39A requiring a drone ship)

GPS3-6 then Amazonas Nexus and a 100 target would seem to make it likely late Jan and odd for the 'or February' to have been added.

So perhaps that should push us towards a third possible interpretation that SpaceX hasn't decided the order yet. So if Amazonas Nexus is next after GPS3-6 then it is Late Jan but if they squeeze in a starlink launch from pad 40 then it will be February?

But perhaps that is just overinterpreting the 'late Jan or Feb'.


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GPS3-6
A starlink launch
Amazonas Nexus

all from pad 40, with drone ship landings, would seem to push Amazonas Nexus to Feb not late Jan. (perhaps esp if there is also a starlink launch from 39A requiring a drone ship)

GPS3-6 then Amazonas Nexus and a 100 target would seem to make it likely late Jan and odd for the 'or February' to have been added.

So perhaps that should push us towards a third possible interpretation that SpaceX hasn't decided the order yet. So if Amazonas Nexus is next after GPS3-6 then it is Late Jan but if they squeeze in a starlink launch from pad 40 then it will be February?

But perhaps that is just overinterpreting the 'late Jan or Feb'.
Perhaps there is uncertainty as to when Amazonas Nexus is ready for launch. SpaceX could switch the launch order if Amazonas Nexus is ready for launch in late January. A paying customer should have priority over internal SpaceX payload.

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GPS3-6
A starlink launch
Amazonas Nexus

all from pad 40, with drone ship landings, would seem to push Amazonas Nexus to Feb not late Jan. (perhaps esp if there is also a starlink launch from 39A requiring a drone ship)

GPS3-6 then Amazonas Nexus and a 100 target would seem to make it likely late Jan and odd for the 'or February' to have been added.

So perhaps that should push us towards a third possible interpretation that SpaceX hasn't decided the order yet. So if Amazonas Nexus is next after GPS3-6 then it is Late Jan but if they squeeze in a starlink launch from pad 40 then it will be February?

But perhaps that is just overinterpreting the 'late Jan or Feb'.
Perhaps there is uncertainty as to when Amazonas Nexus is ready for launch. SpaceX could switch the launch order if Amazonas Nexus is ready for launch in late January. A paying customer should have priority over internal SpaceX payload.

Right on. That was my point I made during the O3b mPOWER F1 & Starlink 4-37 campaigns.

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Could this be the next LC-39A launch?

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Could this be the next LC-39A launch?
Or Starlink 5-2?
Starlink 2-2 still listed for CCSFS SLC-40.
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Starlink 2-2?
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated January 18:
[Next Florida Falcon 9/Heavy launch] The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from pad 40 will launch a Starlink batch on January TBD.
<snip>
[But also]
A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch on February TBD.
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Starlink 2-2?
Ben Cooper's Launch Photography Viewing Guide, updated January 18:
[Next Florida Falcon 9/Heavy launch] The next SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket from pad 40 will launch a Starlink batch on January TBD.
<snip>
[But also]
A Falcon 9 will launch a Starlink batch on February TBD.

NextSpaceflight
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suggests Jan 24 for 5-2 from SLC-40

Perhaps suggesting SpaceX will prioritise 5-x over Gen 1 group 2 from Florida and do the group 2 from VSFB?
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Starlink 2-2 is the only FCC app from Group 2 out of Florida.  I would not be surprised to see them skip this one all together

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Spaceflight now has removed this launch from its list on 19 Jan 2023
https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/
"Removing Falcon 9/Starlink 2-2"

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