Quote from: Star One on 09/02/2016 05:08 pmQuote from: TheTraveller on 09/02/2016 02:05 pmQuote from: jstepp590 on 09/02/2016 01:34 pm"breakthrough paving the way to table-top experiments ingeneral relativity and marking the starting point of space-time engineering."That is one powerful, and exciting, statement.Marco predicts that the gravitational effects being generated in the frustums should scale with the square of the average energy density of the E&M field in the frustum.That is VERY exciting!What does that mean in plain English?Double the EM field energy density inside an EmDrive and get 4x the gravational effect inside the EmDrive. Remember those space warping (well artificial gravity like equivalent space warping) experiments Paul shared with us about shining a laser through a powered & non powered frustum?
Quote from: TheTraveller on 09/02/2016 02:05 pmQuote from: jstepp590 on 09/02/2016 01:34 pm"breakthrough paving the way to table-top experiments ingeneral relativity and marking the starting point of space-time engineering."That is one powerful, and exciting, statement.Marco predicts that the gravitational effects being generated in the frustums should scale with the square of the average energy density of the E&M field in the frustum.That is VERY exciting!What does that mean in plain English?
Quote from: jstepp590 on 09/02/2016 01:34 pm"breakthrough paving the way to table-top experiments ingeneral relativity and marking the starting point of space-time engineering."That is one powerful, and exciting, statement.Marco predicts that the gravitational effects being generated in the frustums should scale with the square of the average energy density of the E&M field in the frustum.That is VERY exciting!
"breakthrough paving the way to table-top experiments ingeneral relativity and marking the starting point of space-time engineering."That is one powerful, and exciting, statement.
That article linked to up thread makes it sound like it only produces a minuscule amount of thrust.
Quote from: Star One on 09/02/2016 08:12 pmThat article linked to up thread makes it sound like it only produces a minuscule amount of thrust.This is true. The utility of the effect is going to depend greatly on which scaling relationships it obeys.
A brainstorm type question: if the cost of building superconducting experiment for Q factor influence verification scales with dimensions of the setup, what's stopping from building a 2x2cm setup with commercially available superconductors at ebay/amazon, drilling the cavity and applying some duct tape?
Thank you for that confirmation. So I am right in thinking that even though it appears to work its utility is dependent on its scalability?Hopefully this paper will open the door to funding into EM research being more forthcoming. NASA should now fund it as it does other emerging propulsion technologies.I bet DARPA will be interested in this paper.
Quote from: Star One on 09/02/2016 08:29 pmThank you for that confirmation. So I am right in thinking that even though it appears to work its utility is dependent on its scalability?Hopefully this paper will open the door to funding into EM research being more forthcoming. NASA should now fund it as it does other emerging propulsion technologies.I bet DARPA will be interested in this paper.Don't take me for gospel, I'm just a watcher reporting on what he understands of what he sees (which is a lot less than I'd like).
Quote from: johnatan warp drive on 09/02/2016 07:34 pmFrom these findings, we can create artificial gravitational fields, warp drives ?All we know is what Paul shared. Would assume EW have done further work since then.
From these findings, we can create artificial gravitational fields, warp drives ?
Are we allowed to get excited about this yet, or should we hold off until December.
Quote from: Star One on 09/02/2016 08:50 pmAre we allowed to get excited about this yet, or should we hold off until December.I'm excited, but I'm not qualified to say whether or not you should be excited.
Is it fate or providence that a planet is discovered so relatively close at hand at the same time.
Quote from: Star One on 09/02/2016 09:14 pmIs it fate or providence that a planet is discovered so relatively close at hand at the same time.Coincidence.
I bet DARPA will be interested in this paper.
In response to a recent request by a respected US journalist, I provided the following background information.Background. EmDrive development started in 2001 at SPR Ltd, funded by UK government and monitored by MOD experts. Proof of concept phase completed by 2006 and all technical reports accepted by funding agencies. Export licence to US granted by UK government 2007. End User Undertaking states end user is US armed forces and purpose is use on a test satellite. December 2008. Meetings held in Washington (including in the Pentagon) with USAF, DARPA and NSSO. Technology Transfer Contract, covering the design and test of a Flight Thruster agreed with Boeing under a State Department TAA and completed in July 2010. 2010 First reports of high thrust EmDrive results received from Xi’an University in China. All contact with Boeing then stopped and no public comment was permitted under the 5 year NDA.
If it can be established that the effect exists, I am not worried about using it. Any first device ever could be improved by a lot. Once the effect is proven there will be research money for improving on it.
The whole history of the EM drive seems so bizarre at points, that it verges on being an X Files episode.
so... where does that leave us, with 1.2mN/kW, instead of 400mN/kW ?Is it still meaningful for interplanetary missions?There is still a substantial gap (± x300 times)between what the guys at eagleworks got and what Shawyer claims. If the10 year old NDA has expired on the demonstration device, maybe it would be a good idea for R. Shawyer to contact them and send over that "obsolete" model. But that's wishful thinking of me , ofc...