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I read on Wikipedia that this is supposed to happen in 2023.  That seems unrealistic to me.  Is there a consensus on when this mission might actually happen?
And it's still not safe enough for the general public.

I wouldn't get too hung up on this part. "General public" if you're referring to an average airline or rail passenger is I believe a looong ways off: whether it's SpaceX flying people or anyone else for that matter.

I personally don't buy a lot into the PR and buzz generated around this. I think regardless of what people want to believe, travelling to to LEO or beyond is going to remain a fairly niche segment of travellers for quite awhile. Yes, the people flying on the dear moon mission are ordinary people in some regard, but as mentioned by Tim Dodd, he had to get a medical evaluation and I'm sure there will be lots of training.

Space will become more accessible, but it becoming as ordinary as boarding an airplane is a fantasy at this point, IMO.

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Flight Day 22: Farewell, Moon
NASA ID: FD 22 art001e002198
art001e002198 (Dec. 7, 2022) The Moon continues to appear smaller from Orionís perspective as seen in this image from the spacecraftís optical navigation camera on flight day 22 of NASAís Artemis I mission. Orion uses the optical navigation camera to capture imagery of the Earth and the Moon at different phases and distances, providing an enhanced body of data to certify its effectiveness under different lighting conditions as a way to help orient the spacecraft on future missions with crew.

Flight Day 22: Thrusters
NASA ID: FD 22 art001e002199
art001e002199 (Dec. 7, 2022) The engines on Orionís service module are prominently featured in this image from flight day 22 of the Artemis I mission. The largest is the orbital maneuvering system engine, surrounded by eight smaller auxiliary thrusters.

Orion Looks Back at Moon
NASA ID: art001e002202
art001e002202 (Dec. 8, 2022) On flight day 23 of NASAís Artemis I mission, Orionís solar array wing camera looked back at the Moon as the spacecraft continued its journey back to Earth ahead of a splashdown off the west coast of North America on Dec. 11.

51.0.48 is never going to be considered.
Launches at sunset are special

Falcon 9 delivers 40 @OneWeb satellites to orbit and lands on Landing Zone 1

Edit to add: photos by Ben Cooper
but it will never be safe enough for the general public, which is it's express reason to exist.

Never say never.

Starship is being built by the company which is regularly transporting people to orbit on the Crew Dragon. Nobody is afraid of flying that one. I think that bodes well for the future of Starship.

Dragon has abort modes and an inherently safe method of EDL (doesn't require a liquid propulsion system to work).  And it's still not safe enough for the general public.
Maybe OneWeb might loft 4 to 6 additional Gen1 comsat as orbital spares on the rideshare mission. Instead of needing additional launches to send up ground spares or clean room storage for the spares.

Think SpaceX can put 2 more comsats on top of their OneWeb dispenser with an adapter plate.

I don't know about that, but I bet they could fit some onto a Polar Orbit Transporter mission.
However, like I said before, contributions only goes so far.

Donít disagree last round.  Thatís when there was a proposal that was significantly superior to the other two in terms of management experience, technical competence, and business planning.

Unless thereís a big reveal coming, this round NASA seems to be left with the same two also-rans, both of which are led by orgs with no proven experience in space systems this size and complexity, both of which demonstrated technical incompetence last round, and neither of which has much business vision beyond NASA missions.

Would love to be proven wrong by one of these teams getting its act together on the technical or business side.  But absent that, they appear to be equally bad backups to Lunar Starship with the only major difference between them being Bezosís deep pockets, which will make National Teamís bad backup the cheaper and lesser of two evils over Dyneticsí bad backup.

Absent a reveal of something we donít know yet or a demonstration of technical competence or business vision, thatís how I handicap this shaking out ó Bezosís billions will be the deciding factor between two otherwise equally bad options for NASA.
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