Quote from: Space Ghost 1962 on 01/02/2018 01:56 amWarning - very reddit. Fluffy Pony pretends to be a nobody while Colin Cantrell pitches him his Nexus shitcoin at the TNABCGave that a full listen.Fully explains and justifies the skepticism on this venture.
Warning - very reddit. Fluffy Pony pretends to be a nobody while Colin Cantrell pitches him his Nexus shitcoin at the TNABC
Flight tanks for @vectorspacesys Block 1 orbital vehicle ready for integration. Planned launch in July 2018. Stay tuned !
Prototype 2nd stage fuel tanks and fairing being attached for the first time today
Looks like the label on the tank might say "Scorpius". Scorpius Space Launch Company sells "All-Composite Cryogenic Pressure Vessels" it says here: http://www.scorpius.com/ - Ed Kyle
Quote from: edkyle99 on 01/24/2018 05:07 pmLooks like the label on the tank might say "Scorpius". Scorpius Space Launch Company sells "All-Composite Cryogenic Pressure Vessels" it says here: http://www.scorpius.com/ - Ed KyleBecause nothing screams cost-effectiveness more than racing towards a 2018 orbital launch date with horizontal integration, a non-representative baseline vehicle, and architectural concept drawings of an empty factory.
Quote from: ThePhugoid on 01/24/2018 11:22 pmQuote from: edkyle99 on 01/24/2018 05:07 pmLooks like the label on the tank might say "Scorpius". Scorpius Space Launch Company sells "All-Composite Cryogenic Pressure Vessels" it says here: http://www.scorpius.com/ - Ed KyleBecause nothing screams cost-effectiveness more than racing towards a 2018 orbital launch date with horizontal integration, a non-representative baseline vehicle, and architectural concept drawings of an empty factory.Your comment about horizontal integration seems a bit out of left field.... Most new launcher do that. Otherwise, yes, they do not seem anywhere close to being ready.
Quote from: Lars-J on 01/24/2018 11:54 pmQuote from: ThePhugoid on 01/24/2018 11:22 pmQuote from: edkyle99 on 01/24/2018 05:07 pmLooks like the label on the tank might say "Scorpius". Scorpius Space Launch Company sells "All-Composite Cryogenic Pressure Vessels" it says here: http://www.scorpius.com/ - Ed KyleBecause nothing screams cost-effectiveness more than racing towards a 2018 orbital launch date with horizontal integration, a non-representative baseline vehicle, and architectural concept drawings of an empty factory.Your comment about horizontal integration seems a bit out of left field.... Most new launcher do that. Otherwise, yes, they do not seem anywhere close to being ready.Sure some do, but generally not when trying to hit the price point these guys are holding themselves to. Hence the cost-effectiveness comment.
Horizontal integration is what ULA does.
Perhaps ThePhugoid means "horizontal" as in "Space X is vertically integrated and makes everything in house..." (well almost everything). Vertical integration is used to cut out all of the supplier margins. Horizontal integration is what ULA does.
I don't think that's actually a valid use of the term "horizontal integration".
SpaceX only manufactures inhouse what they can't source for a reasonable price, for quality reasons, lead times.They still state they have suppliers in all 50 States...And i'm sure not every part they brought inhouse for manufacture was as cheap or easy as they envisioned.And the big carbon fiber tank Elon Musk showed at IAC 2016 wasn't manufactured inhouse either.For me it's only reasonable to source the tanks outside if your factory isn't ready yet.Autoclavs are not things that move easily, and for sure have long lead times.I guess once they move into their new favtory, they will manufacture the tanks themselves. I think tanks manufacture takes up a lot of floor space and isn't the biggest hurdle on the way to an orbital launch vehicle.With their planned cadence, it might still make sense to have an outside supplier later even if manufacturing some of the tanks themselves.
Quote from: gongora on 01/25/2018 03:28 amI don't think that's actually a valid use of the term "horizontal integration".Alright well if you'd like to pick some more nits with me, you can say that the term applies to the organization that builds the vehicle, or the program that develops it. Either way the fact remains that relying on suppliers to provide you flight-ready hardware they've developed on their own dime rather than designing, building, and integrating it all yourself will eventually come back to haunt anyone looking to drive launch costs to the floor. Especially small launch providers.