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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #740 on: 03/01/2019 04:26 pm »
According to the most recent listings version on the "Russian space launches (part 2)" thread, the last use of the Soyuz-FG launch vehicle is to launch Soyuz MS-15 later this year.

After this, all Soyuz s/c will launch on Soyuz-2-1a.

Last 3 before retirement:
Soyuz MS-12,
Soyuz MS-13,
Soyuz MS-15

Q1) Seeking confirmation: Is this correct?

Q2) Will there be any "left-over" Soyuz-FG?


Soyuz-FG № Я15000-071 (8/139) has been accepted by the customer.
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #741 on: 03/01/2019 04:43 pm »
According to Stephen Clark, https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/:

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Sept. 25 Soyuz • ISS 61S
Launch window: TBD
Launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan

A Russian government Soyuz rocket will launch the crewed Soyuz MS-15 spacecraft to the International Space Station with members of the next Expedition crew. The capsule will remain at the station for about six months, providing an escape pod for the residents. The rocket will fly in the Soyuz-2.1a configuration, the first use of the Soyuz-2 variant on a crewed launch. [Jan. 28]

Now which information is correct for MS-15? Soyuz-FG oder -2.1a?
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #742 on: 03/01/2019 05:09 pm »
According to Stephen Clark, https://spaceflightnow.com/launch-schedule/:

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Sept. 25 Soyuz • ISS 61S
Launch window: TBD
Launch site: Baikonur Cosmodrome, Kazakhstan

A Russian government Soyuz rocket will launch the crewed Soyuz MS-15 spacecraft to the International Space Station with members of the next Expedition crew. The capsule will remain at the station for about six months, providing an escape pod for the residents. The rocket will fly in the Soyuz-2.1a configuration, the first use of the Soyuz-2 variant on a crewed launch. [Jan. 28]

Now which information is correct for MS-15? Soyuz-FG oder -2.1a?

The Soyuz-MS are flying out of sequence.

Soyuz-MS №745 is planned to be the 1st with crew onboard a Soyuz-2.1a rocket. If they did fly in order, №745 would have ended up as Soyuz MS-15.

Soyuz-MS №746 is flying in between №742 and №743 (though №746 does not appear in any of the publicly available documents of contracts between Roskomos with Energia).
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #743 on: 03/01/2019 05:11 pm »

Now which information is correct for MS-15? Soyuz-FG oder -2.1a?
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #744 on: 03/01/2019 06:09 pm »

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #745 on: 03/04/2019 02:18 pm »
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #746 on: 03/07/2019 03:24 pm »
Rocket Soyuz-FG no. Ya 15000-070 for Soyuz MS-12:

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #747 on: 03/13/2019 08:58 pm »
Cross-posted:
Launcher serial numbers found so far:
February 21 (16:47) - EgyptSat-A - Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat-M (76031216/??)

Fregat-M serial number anyone??

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #748 on: 03/14/2019 05:50 am »
Cross-posted:
Launcher serial numbers found so far:
February 21 (16:47) - EgyptSat-A - Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat-M (76031216/??)

Fregat-M serial number anyone??
78031216 was the rocket-serial number from Kosmos 2528.
76031216 does not exist (and 76031...)
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #749 on: 03/14/2019 11:26 am »
Cross-posted:
Launcher serial numbers found so far:
February 21 (16:47) - EgyptSat-A - Soyuz-2.1b/Fregat-M (76031216/??)

Fregat-M serial number anyone??
78031216 was the rocket-serial number from Kosmos 2528.
76031216 does not exist (and 76031...)
Serial per http://russianspaceweb.com/egyptsat-a.html

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #750 on: 03/14/2019 12:03 pm »
Serial per http://russianspaceweb.com/egyptsat-a.html

And what? As stated above, Soyuz-2-1B #76031216 does not exist. This wrong number was published in RSC Energia's plan of orders, because Energia wanted to take rocket for EgyptSat-A launch from Russian Ministry of Defence. When Energia got refusal then Roskosmos gave Soyuz-2-1B #Е15000-024, Fregat and 14С737 #112-07 taken from GLONASS program. And Energia should pay for producing of new vehicles.

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #751 on: 03/24/2019 04:50 pm »
The rocket manufactured for Spektr-RG was to use 3rd stage engine 14Д23 №19Л. So is that rocket №Л15000-020 (32/135)?
The rocket manufactured for Meteor-M №3 was to use 3rd stage engine 14Д23 №23Л. So is that rocket №Е15000-024 (28/135)?

http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/J3XZLnhhm4dh/
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/contract/contractCard/common-info.html?reestrNumber=0173100007011000132
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/contract/contractCard/common-info.html?reestrNumber=0173100007011000148

As per Vladimir Nesterov's books about Angara rocket, 14Д23 engines have flown on Soyuz-2 rockets in such sequence:

2006: ЛКИ1
2008: ЛКИ3
2009: ЛКИ2
2011: 7Л, 12Л, 8Л, 14Л, 1229200341(9Л)
2012: 1220400346(9Л новый)
2013: 17Л, 16Л, 18Л, 13Л, 20Л, 11Л
2014: 4Л, 35Л, 5Л, 21Л, 22Л, 24Л, 19Л, 31Л, 15Л
2015: 25Л

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #752 on: 03/28/2019 09:54 am »
Progress MS-11
11С517А2 Я15000-122
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #753 on: 03/29/2019 08:15 am »
The rocket manufactured for Spektr-RG was to use 3rd stage engine 14Д23 №19Л. So is that rocket №Л15000-020 (32/135)?
The rocket manufactured for Meteor-M №3 was to use 3rd stage engine 14Д23 №23Л. So is that rocket №Е15000-024 (28/135)?

http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/J3XZLnhhm4dh/
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/contract/contractCard/common-info.html?reestrNumber=0173100007011000132
http://www.zakupki.gov.ru/epz/contract/contractCard/common-info.html?reestrNumber=0173100007011000148

As per Vladimir Nesterov's books about Angara rocket, 14Д23 engines have flown on Soyuz-2 rockets in such sequence:

2006: ЛКИ1
2008: ЛКИ3
2009: ЛКИ2
2011: 7Л, 12Л, 8Л, 14Л, 1229200341(9Л)
2012: 1220400346(9Л новый)
2013: 17Л, 16Л, 18Л, 13Л, 20Л, 11Л
2014: 4Л, 35Л, 5Л, 21Л, 22Л, 24Л, 19Л, 31Л, 15Л
2015: 25Л

So if I understand things…

Engine №1221900338(6Л) was to be used on a Soyuz-2.1b rocket in 2011; whilst engine №1229200341(9Л) was to be used on the Soyuz-ST-B launched in 2012. Both engines were defective. The Soyuz-ST-B had its engine substituted with №1220400346. №1229200341 was repaired and fitted to the Soyuz-2.1b.

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- по договору от 25.01.2011 №6218 - акт выполненных работ на изготовление двигателя 14Д23 №9Л зав. №1220400346 от 30.03.2011, дата выпуска по формуляру на двигатель 26.02.2011 (прошел летные испытания в составе РН (ракетоносителя) 12.10.2012 года). Указанный двигатель изготовлен вместо ранее поставленного двигателя 14Д23 №9Л зав. №1229200341, изготовленного по договору от 27.10.2008 №5794 (дата выпуска по формуляру - 24.01.2010) и признанного непригодным для использования по назначению  заключением комиссии №93-ВР-2010 (в составе исполнителя, заказчика, ген. заказчика);


- по договору от 25.01.2011 №6219 - акт выполненных работ на проведение работ по устранению дефекта сопла камеры, изготовление новой камеры и ДСЕ, необходимых для ее замены на двигателе 14Д23 №9Л зав. №1229200341, подготовка двигателя для проведения КТИ от 31.03.2011, технический акт №420-12-2011 по этапу договора от 25.01.2011 №6219. Двигатель был поставлен в ЦСКБ Прогресс 19.11.2011 взамен ранее изготовленного двигателя 14Д23 №6 Л зав. №1221900338 по договору от 25.08.2008 №5772 и отправленного в ЦСКБ Прогресс в ноябре 2008 года.
http://www.sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/3ccKrVhSL3Nv/
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #754 on: 03/29/2019 09:01 am »
So if I understand things…

Engine №1221900338(6Л) was to be used on a Soyuz-2.1b rocket in 2011; whilst engine №1229200341(9Л) was to be used on the Soyuz-ST-B launched in 2012. Both engines were defective. The Soyuz-ST-B had its engine substituted with №1220400346. №1229200341 was repaired and fitted to the Soyuz-2.1b

Engines 6Л and 9Л could not be used for launches due to defects. But 9Л was repaired and used. It failed.

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Из представленной информации проверяющие установили, что на ранее изготовленных двигателях 14Д23 №6Л и №9Л были выявлены искажения профиля внутренней стенки сопел верхних и подколлекторной части зоны высокого давления на КС4 (камеры сгорания) двигателя 6Л и КС1 двигателя 9Л. Заключением комиссии №93-ВР-2010 (в составе исполнителя, заказчика, ген. заказчика) двигатели признаны непригодными для использования по назначению. Согласно решению №139-ВР-2010, в соответствии с выводами комиссии, выявленные дефекты были признаны единичными и на задел двигателей не распространяющимися

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #755 on: 03/29/2019 09:18 am »
Some quotes from Nesterov's books:

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Кроме того, при проведении КТИ двигателя №10Л в 2010 году произошел также отказ из-за разрушения верхнего сопла вследствие неспаев 2 ребер между канавками наружной стенки

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23 декабря 2011 года при пуске РН "Союз-2.1б" с КА "Меридиан" двигатель №1229200341 отработал в полете 135 с, после чего произошло разрушение камер №3 и №2

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По результатам анализа дефекта двигателя №10Л была внедрена измененная конструкция сопла, направленная на повышение технологичности и прочности

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #756 on: 03/29/2019 09:19 am »
Figure with serial numbers of 14Д23 engines and their tests.
« Last Edit: 03/29/2019 09:20 am by anik »

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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #757 on: 04/01/2019 10:40 am »
Progress MS-11
11С517А2 Я15000-122


00:29 min---->Я15000-036 (Ya15000-036)
« Last Edit: 04/03/2019 01:31 pm by Alter Sachse »
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #758 on: 04/01/2019 08:58 pm »
Google translation:
"Two Soyuz 2.1 missiles were delivered to Baikonur, a source at the cosmodrome told RIA Novosti. These are the first carriers who arrived here after a recent accident.

A train arrived from Samara, which delivered two Soyuz launch vehicles to the cosmodrome: Soyuz-2-1b, intended for the Egyptian satellite EgyptSat-A scheduled for December 27, and Soyuz-2-1a, which on February 8, 2019, the Progress MS-11 cargo ship should be put into orbit, the agency’s source said.

According to him, both launches will be held from the 31st platform."

https://ria.ru/science/20181019/1531018489.html

Progress MS-11 with Soyuz 2.1a!

This one?
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РН «Союз-2-1а» № Я15000-036 (8/140) с СЗБ 11С517А2 № Я15000-122 (4/145)
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Re: Information about Soyuz rocket
« Reply #759 on: 04/02/2019 05:50 pm »
fairing Soyuz-STB 4.04.2019
H15000-040 (=N15000-040)
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