Or if this new paper starts enough pressure on the company he works for. We might get new informations sooner. I think Mr. Shawyer said it himself. That outside push can help to release more informations
Quote from: Chrochne on 08/28/2016 04:21 pmOr if this new paper starts enough pressure on the company he works for. We might get new informations sooner. I think Mr. Shawyer said it himself. That outside push can help to release more informationsSPR is was started by Roger. He had NDAs that have timers. Once the times expire, he can release data, as he does.You need to review his latest peer reviewed paper (at www.emdrive.com) and maybe start to accept that he talks about is real.
I do not feel qualified to pronounce upon the physical principles exploited by the invention but I understand others have done so.
There is no justification for (a) in the main text, see Section 4.3.The thermal test results are not quite as clear as implied by (e), see Section 4.4.The results quoted in (j) and (m) are not supported by predictions, see Section 4.3. In Section 4.4 I also point out some apparent anomalies in the thrust measurements which are not explained n the text.There is no justification for (n), which should have its own section in the main text describing a possible flight engine design and its expected performance. There is likely to be significant further development required on a suitable space qualified microwave source.
It would be nice if before you continued insisting that Shawyer is right about everything you actually tried to understand some of the many critiques that have been posted by me and others finding fundamental flaws in his papers.
Quote from: meberbs on 08/29/2016 03:13 amIt would be nice if before you continued insisting that Shawyer is right about everything you actually tried to understand some of the many critiques that have been posted by me and others finding fundamental flaws in his papers.Here is the issue:The EmDrive works.You can't explain why.Roger can.
Once we know that we have an agreed upon effect, then everyone can theorize on the why and eventually figure it out. Roger gets the credit for making these experiments happen.
Quote from: Bob Woods on 08/29/2016 04:39 amOnce we know that we have an agreed upon effect, then everyone can theorize on the why and eventually figure it out. Roger gets the credit for making these experiments happen.Roger told me extensive discussion on his theory occured on both sides of the Atlantic and that in the end his theory held up. I suspect those discussions were engaged under NDA and will one day see the light of day.Here is the kicker, Roger's thrust equation does predict the measured thrust. That equation is based on his theory.
.....If you haven't realized it yet, people on this site are persuaded by evidence and logic, you seem to just be asking for blind faith. This is the wrong place to try that.
If you haven't realized it yet, people on this site are persuaded by evidence and logic, you seem to just be asking for blind faith. This is the wrong place to try that.
Regardless some very impressive DIY builds, we still have to see any conclusive results. So far we've seen interesting and intriguing results, but none are conclusively confirming the EMdrive effect.This is not about "believing or not believing" but gathering hard, irrefutable evidence that the effect is real. And , obviously, we're not there yet...I suppose we're all eagerly waiting for the "eye opener of 2016 event", that TT promised us many months ago, else... he'll have no other option then to eat his hat... 4 months to go...
I could post some data that is confidential as of yet but I will not.Interesting data from 2006:http://www.emdrive.com/fullDMtest188.mpgWonder what else may be released after the 10 year NDA period expires?Wonder what other DIY EmDrive experiments have also built wireless and battery powered rotary test rigs that have rotation?For sure there will be no hat eating, at least not on my side.This is my last post on this subject until the EW paper is available for download.
Here is the issue:The EmDrive works.You can't explain why.Roger can.But doesn't.
You don't get to say what anyone "needs" to do.
Quote from: meberbs on 08/29/2016 11:23 amIf you haven't realized it yet, people on this site are persuaded by evidence and logic, you seem to just be asking for blind faith. This is the wrong place to try that.Yet it works and you can't explain it with your theory while Roger can explain it with his theory.
TT, I would be genuinely happy if anyone could prove the EM drive works. It would have profound implication, especially for future space travel.So...Don't mistake my skepticism for hand wavering or disapproval...