Monomorphic. Just thinking outloud. With you new enclosure and 3 axis measuring capability might it be useful to do a run with your frustum suspended by a single wire attached at the balance point? I'm not thinking of a quantitative measurement here as much a qualitative measurement to get more of a sense of the various forces acting on the frustum. In the previous measurements everyone has constrained the frustum so that it can move in forward or backward direction. This could be done with the attachment point moved to all three axes to look for torque on all three axes, however I suspect it might not be worth that much effort. This test should help clarify the forces imparted by the power cables to the frustum.Doing this test makes sense only if it is relatively easy to do with minor overhead.
Monomorphic, I don't have the funds or the know how to build a test rig. Once you are finished with your rig and testing, will you be open to testing other builds for a $ fee or other?Do you yet know what the sensitivity and specificity is of/for your rig? Will you be building a cylindrical frustum to check for artifact et al., or? FL
Awesome! Can your solid state unit be tuned to an/any extent? My last sim had me at just a little bit over 2.45 GHz. I'll speak with you more about it after you're finished with all of your building and testing. What is the predicted thrust for your frustum and for your wedge designs?
Quote from: FattyLumpkin on 08/21/2016 04:02 amAwesome! Can your solid state unit be tuned to an/any extent? My last sim had me at just a little bit over 2.45 GHz. I'll speak with you more about it after you're finished with all of your building and testing. What is the predicted thrust for your frustum and for your wedge designs?It will be able to be tuned between 2.4Ghz and 2.5Ghz.
Quote from: Monomorphic on 08/21/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: FattyLumpkin on 08/21/2016 04:02 amAwesome! Can your solid state unit be tuned to an/any extent? My last sim had me at just a little bit over 2.45 GHz. I'll speak with you more about it after you're finished with all of your building and testing. What is the predicted thrust for your frustum and for your wedge designs?It will be able to be tuned between 2.4Ghz and 2.5Ghz.Mate you REALLY need to build a TE013 frustum with spherical end plates.
Quote from: TheTraveller on 08/21/2016 01:54 pmQuote from: Monomorphic on 08/21/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: FattyLumpkin on 08/21/2016 04:02 amAwesome! Can your solid state unit be tuned to an/any extent? My last sim had me at just a little bit over 2.45 GHz. I'll speak with you more about it after you're finished with all of your building and testing. What is the predicted thrust for your frustum and for your wedge designs?It will be able to be tuned between 2.4Ghz and 2.5Ghz.Mate you REALLY need to build a TE013 frustum with spherical end plates.Workin on it...
Quote from: Monomorphic on 08/21/2016 02:11 pmQuote from: TheTraveller on 08/21/2016 01:54 pmQuote from: Monomorphic on 08/21/2016 01:44 pmQuote from: FattyLumpkin on 08/21/2016 04:02 amAwesome! Can your solid state unit be tuned to an/any extent? My last sim had me at just a little bit over 2.45 GHz. I'll speak with you more about it after you're finished with all of your building and testing. What is the predicted thrust for your frustum and for your wedge designs?It will be able to be tuned between 2.4Ghz and 2.5Ghz.Mate you REALLY need to build a TE013 frustum with spherical end plates.Workin on it...I can share a SPR verified TE013 spherical end plates design.
Usually I try to stay away from commenting here as I am so far out of my depth . I am an IT specialist, not a engineer or physicist. However I came across a paper that I am not sure has been seen on this site before. It is a peer reviewed paper from the COMSOL company as well as several academics with a new explanation for the thrust results seen on the EMDrive. I apologize if this has been posted before, but I follow this thread a lot and have not seen it discussed yet. Regards.http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807
Quote from: jstepp590 on 08/21/2016 02:17 pmUsually I try to stay away from commenting here as I am so far out of my depth . I am an IT specialist, not a engineer or physicist. However I came across a paper that I am not sure has been seen on this site before. It is a peer reviewed paper from the COMSOL company as well as several academics with a new explanation for the thrust results seen on the EMDrive. I apologize if this has been posted before, but I follow this thread a lot and have not seen it discussed yet. Regards.http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807Well there is the problem:Thrust without exhaust is of course impossible.So lets avoid consideration that the EmDrive gained momentum is at the expense of EM wave lost momentum as the internal Em wave experiences red shift from lost Em wave momentum.Debate this all you wish as I will not engage until my data is ready to be published.
Quote from: TheTraveller on 08/21/2016 02:22 pmQuote from: jstepp590 on 08/21/2016 02:17 pmUsually I try to stay away from commenting here as I am so far out of my depth . I am an IT specialist, not a engineer or physicist. However I came across a paper that I am not sure has been seen on this site before. It is a peer reviewed paper from the COMSOL company as well as several academics with a new explanation for the thrust results seen on the EMDrive. I apologize if this has been posted before, but I follow this thread a lot and have not seen it discussed yet. Regards.http://scitation.aip.org/content/aip/journal/adva/6/6/10.1063/1.4953807Well there is the problem:Thrust without exhaust is of course impossible.So lets avoid consideration that the EmDrive gained momentum is at the expense of EM wave lost momentum as the internal Em wave experiences red shift from lost Em wave momentum.Debate this all you wish as I will not engage until my data is ready to be published.Uh actually I was not debating anything. What the paper points to is the exhaust being shot out is actually light, or specifically, photons that have become paired up with another out-of-phase photon in order to shoot out of the metal cavity and produce thrust. According to Arto Annila "Light at microwave lengths is the fuel that’s being fed into the cavity … and the EM drive exhausts backwards paired photons".How accurate that is I am not qualified to argue or debate. I simply wanted to point out another possible theory I came across, no challenge intended.
Quote from: Tcarey on 08/19/2016 07:16 pmMonomorphic. Just thinking outloud. With you new enclosure and 3 axis measuring capability might it be useful to do a run with your frustum suspended by a single wire attached at the balance point? I'm not thinking of a quantitative measurement here as much a qualitative measurement to get more of a sense of the various forces acting on the frustum. In the previous measurements everyone has constrained the frustum so that it can move in forward or backward direction. This could be done with the attachment point moved to all three axes to look for torque on all three axes, however I suspect it might not be worth that much effort. This test should help clarify the forces imparted by the power cables to the frustum.Doing this test makes sense only if it is relatively easy to do with minor overhead.This would require significant changes to the current rig to accomplish. Also, the 3-axis accelerometer (748um/s2) isn't as sensitive as the Laser Displacement Sensors (3um). To put that into perspective, during some of my tests, which ran powered for up to a minute, the pendulum only moved a total of 750um (0.75mm). The primary purpose of the 3-axis multi-sensor is calibrating the torsional pendulum beam using the compass and gyroscope.
"Thrust without exhaust is of course impossible." OK, when you fall under gravity, you do not expel any exhaust!Right? This is because the falling object is in a time rate differential i.e. the rate of time slows down toward Earth.This is a logical causal structure. This is what drives gravity, quantum mechanics, thermodynamics etc. Things tend to exist more (and be found) where the rate of time (1/T) is slower. The York Time is in fact a description not of spacetime contraction/expansion but an indication of the structure of the rate of time; slower in front (pull) and faster at the back (push) giving you motion and direction.I don't know if this help but this is what everybody is trying to achieve .. in simple terms.Marcel,