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Lot's of wild speculation here. My guess is that we'll see at least six pages filled with speculation before we hit the press-conference on the 24th.

It's up to you folks to prove me wrong  ;)

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There has been too much over-promise and under-deliver.
Too much smoke and too few flames.

I don't care much for the hype, I would just like to see something in orbit at some point.

Umm.. there's plenty in orbit.. the problem is that you're biased to looking at promises instead of results. The people who have delivered to orbit so far are doing it quietly.

Not true, I have been watching those that get stuff into orbit and don't necessarily make headlines.  My criticism is towards those who make headlines but don't.

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Lot's of wild speculation here. My guess is that we'll see at least six pages filled with speculation before we hit the press-conference on the 24th.

It's up to you folks to prove me wrong  ;)

If I help prove you right, will you split the winnings?

My guess is it will be less grandiose than most will expect. Let's keep our expectations low.

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Here's one paper that backs up this guess of having something to do with asteroid exploitation (coauthored by Arkyd Astronautics):
Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study
April 2, 2012  <---notice the date... just two weeks ago!
http://kiss.caltech.edu/study/asteroid/asteroid_final_report.pdf
"This report describes the results of a study sponsored by the Keck Institute for Space Studies (KISS) to investigate the feasibility of identifying, robotically capturing, and returning an entire Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) to the vicinity of the Earth by the  middle of the next decade. "

Another note is the idea of capturing a temporary moon, which may be even easier than this idea of capturing a 500,000kg NEA in orbit around the Sun.

No one on the planet could afford the liability insurance premiums for pointing an asteroid in the direction of Earth.

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Here's one paper that backs up this guess of having something to do with asteroid exploitation (coauthored by Arkyd Astronautics):
Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study
April 2, 2012  <---notice the date... just two weeks ago!
http://kiss.caltech.edu/study/asteroid/asteroid_final_report.pdf
"This report describes the results of a study sponsored by the Keck Institute for Space Studies (KISS) to investigate the feasibility of identifying, robotically capturing, and returning an entire Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) to the vicinity of the Earth by the  middle of the next decade. "

Another note is the idea of capturing a temporary moon, which may be even easier than this idea of capturing a 500,000kg NEA in orbit around the Sun.

No one on the planet could afford the liability insurance premiums for pointing an asteroid in the direction of Earth.

You didn't read the paper, did you?
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Here's one paper that backs up this guess of having something to do with asteroid exploitation (coauthored by Arkyd Astronautics):
Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study
April 2, 2012  <---notice the date... just two weeks ago!
http://kiss.caltech.edu/study/asteroid/asteroid_final_report.pdf
"This report describes the results of a study sponsored by the Keck Institute for Space Studies (KISS) to investigate the feasibility of identifying, robotically capturing, and returning an entire Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) to the vicinity of the Earth by the  middle of the next decade. "

Another note is the idea of capturing a temporary moon, which may be even easier than this idea of capturing a 500,000kg NEA in orbit around the Sun.

No one on the planet could afford the liability insurance premiums for pointing an asteroid in the direction of Earth.

You didn't read the paper, did you?

Nope. I was responding to an earlier post in this thread about the announcement being about a commercial recovery of an asteroid.

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Here's one paper that backs up this guess of having something to do with asteroid exploitation (coauthored by Arkyd Astronautics):
Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study
April 2, 2012  <---notice the date... just two weeks ago!
http://kiss.caltech.edu/study/asteroid/asteroid_final_report.pdf
"This report describes the results of a study sponsored by the Keck Institute for Space Studies (KISS) to investigate the feasibility of identifying, robotically capturing, and returning an entire Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) to the vicinity of the Earth by the  middle of the next decade. "

Another note is the idea of capturing a temporary moon, which may be even easier than this idea of capturing a 500,000kg NEA in orbit around the Sun.

No one on the planet could afford the liability insurance premiums for pointing an asteroid in the direction of Earth.

You didn't read the paper, did you?

Nope. I was responding to an earlier post in this thread about the announcement being about a commercial recovery of an asteroid.

Why did you respond to the paper post, then? Read it, then decide.

(Also, it's worth noting the scale involved... a 500 ton asteroid is only the mass of the ISS and wouldn't be in an orbit that could decay to Earth like ISS or any other LEO satellite. Are we going to forbid Bigelow from building a space station for the same reason?)

If we followed similar logic in air travel, you wouldn't be able to fly a jet over a city.
« Last Edit: 04/18/2012 05:06 pm by Robotbeat »
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First .. Hello to the Forum .. My first post. :)

A little update

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/mimssbits/27776/

Its not Arkyd Astronautics but Planetary Resources Inc. that will be announced.

http://www.planetaryresources.com/ 

Nothing on their page right now other than the 24th April date.

Full release

Space Exploration Company to Expand Earth's Resource Base

WHAT:             Join visionary Peter H. Diamandis, M.D.; leading commercial space entrepreneur Eric Anderson; former NASA Mars mission manager Chris Lewicki; and planetary scientist & veteran NASA astronaut Tom Jones, Ph.D. on Tuesday, April 24 at 10:30 a.m. PDT in Seattle, or via webcast, as they unveil a new space venture with a mission to help ensure humanity's prosperity.

                        Supported by an impressive investor and advisor group, including Google’s Larry Page & Eric Schmidt, Ph.D.; film maker & explorer James Cameron; Chairman of Intentional Software Corporation and Microsoft’s former Chief Software Architect Charles Simonyi, Ph.D.; Founder of Sherpalo and Google Board of Directors founding member K. Ram Shriram; and Chairman of Hillwood and The Perot Group Ross Perot, Jr., the company will overlay two critical sectors – space exploration and natural resources – to add trillions of dollars to the global GDP. This innovative start-up will create a new industry and a new definition of ‘natural resources’.

The news conference will be held at the Museum of Flight in Seattle on Tuesday, April 24 at 10:30 a.m. PDT and available online via webcast.

WHEN:             Tuesday, April 24

                        10:30 a.m. PDT

WHO:               Charles Simonyi, Ph.D., Space Tourist, Planetary Resources, Inc. Investor

Eric Anderson, Co-Founder & Co-Chairman, Planetary Resources, Inc.

Peter H. Diamandis, M.D., Co-Founder & Co-Chairman, Planetary Resources, Inc.

Chris Lewicki, President & Chief Engineer, Planetary Resources, Inc.

Tom Jones, Ph.D., Planetary Scientist, Veteran NASA Astronaut & Planetary Resources, Inc. Advisor

WHERE:           Charles Simonyi Space Gallery at The Museum of Flight

9404 East Marginal Way South 

Seattle, WA 98108

Event will also be streamed online.


Looks very exciting .. :)

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First .. Hello to the Forum .. My first post. :)

A little update

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/mimssbits/27776/

Its not Arkyd Astronautics but Planetary Resources Inc. that will be announced.

http://www.planetaryresources.com/ 

Nothing on their page right now other than the 24th April date.

Wow. Thank you for the info, and welcome to the forum!

I trust you're allowed to share the name? No sense in causing yourself trouble after all.

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At the very least it sounds like robotic asteroid (or lunar) prospecting, with a view to future mining.

Cool.  :)

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(Also, it's worth noting the scale involved... a 500 ton asteroid is only the mass of the ISS and wouldn't be in an orbit that could decay to Earth like ISS or any other LEO satellite. Are we going to forbid Bigelow from building a space station for the same reason?)

If we followed similar logic in air travel, you wouldn't be able to fly a jet over a city.

500 tons for an iron meteor works out to 5 meters in diameter. From the University of Arizona impact effects calculator:
http://impact.ese.ic.ac.uk/cgi-bin/crater.cgi?dist=1&diam=5&pdens=&pdens_select=8000&vel=15&theta=45&tdens=2500&tdens_select=0

This size of impact happens once every 4 years on estimated average, and has an energy of 14 kilotons (Little Boy size).

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I read http://permanent.com/ first like 10 years ago. Is it actually happening now ?
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Too much smoke and too few flames.

How about mirrors?  They got that right?

Sorry.

Wow, the steady stream of new (not necessarily "New Space") space companies just doesn't stop. Interesting that there are so many stealth-mode companies out there... It can only be a good thing, IMHO.

Totally agree.

My first post.

Excellent info on a first post!  Thanks.

Are we seeing a new space race?
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Assuming that a company could somehow return a cubic meter of platinum ore from space to the Earth, the value of that cubic meter would be somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars. The good news is that the mass launched to the asteroid doesn't have to be that great, once some sort of robotic system were in place, as all that would be required would be to send a container to the asteroid, plus return prop.  That would require a lot of propellant or some sort of electric drive. A reusable electric drive would probably have to be invoked to make this work.

The question is whether the recurring costs of returning ore to Earth would cover the revenues generated from the ore.


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Assuming that a company could somehow return a cubic meter of platinum ore from space to the Earth, the value of that cubic meter would be somewhere in the tens of millions of dollars. The good news is that the mass launched to the asteroid doesn't have to be that great, once some sort of robotic system were in place, as all that would be required would be to send a container to the asteroid, plus return prop.  That would require a lot of propellant or some sort of electric drive. ...
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You really ought to read that paper. ;)
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First .. Hello to the Forum .. My first post. :)

A little update

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/mimssbits/27776/

Its not Arkyd Astronautics but Planetary Resources Inc. that will be announced.

http://www.planetaryresources.com/ 

Nothing on their page right now other than the 24th April date.

Wow. Thank you for the info, and welcome to the forum!

I trust you're allowed to share the name? No sense in causing yourself trouble after all.

Thank you.

Yeah since it is from a press release on a public website i think im safe :)

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Peter Diamandis, jezz this man is going to drag humanity into the 21st century of our dreams kicking and screaming. :)

After reading the paper I still think his venture has a snow balls chance in hell of coming into reality, on the other hand I though the same thing about Ansari X Prise (won), Northrop Grumman Lunar Lander Xprize (won by multiple companies), and Google Lunar Xprize (which has it's 1st launches hopefully next year). 

Come on Peter, your making be develop a taste for my own hat.
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Here's one paper that backs up this guess of having something to do with asteroid exploitation (coauthored by Arkyd Astronautics):
Asteroid Retrieval Feasibility Study
April 2, 2012  <---notice the date... just two weeks ago!
http://kiss.caltech.edu/study/asteroid/asteroid_final_report.pdf
"This report describes the results of a study sponsored by the Keck Institute for Space Studies (KISS) to investigate the feasibility of identifying, robotically capturing, and returning an entire Near-Earth Asteroid (NEA) to the vicinity of the Earth by the  middle of the next decade. "

Another note is the idea of capturing a temporary moon, which may be even easier than this idea of capturing a 500,000kg NEA in orbit around the Sun.

That's a super-intriguing possibility, although I'd exercise a bit of caution in drawing too many conclusions from that study about Planetary Resource's plans. Arkyd's Lewicki was only one of a few dozen participants in that collaboration, and not one of the study leads.
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Agreed, but the strong hinting from Diamandis and the wording of the press release makes it all but certain this is about asteroid exploitation in some form or another.
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