Author Topic: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities  (Read 16501 times)

Offline Rik ISS-fan

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #20 on: 10/26/2017 06:47 PM »
http://spacenews.com/qa-airbus-oliver-juckenhofel-gung-ho-on-deep-space-gateway/
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We expect to launch Bartolomeo in 2018.

Most likely Bartolomeo and Bishop (Nanoracks Commercial Airlock) will be delayed by more than a year.
AFAIK, Bartolomeo and Bishop are pressurized payloads for SpX-19 and SpX-21.
SpX-16 (or -14) deliver IDA-3 to the ISS. All other SpaceX resupply missions have external science payloads.
HTV-6; -7; -8 and -9 have all six Li-ion batteries as unpressurized payload. And AFAIK Cygnus and Dreamchaser can't deliver it to the ISS. So only if IDA is delayed or dropped or the manifest has been shuffled, Bartolomeo will be available NET2019. (This is also stated in the 2017 presentation, page 2: I posted; Mission duration 2019-2024.)

I like the Oceaneering GOLD2 payload connector, looks even smaller than CLPA adapter, that Nanoracks Kaber deployer is using. The MISSE-FF, uses a smaler version, most likely called GOLD, to connect MSC's (MISSE Sample Carriers) to the payload facility.
The document states that Bartolomeo has 4 single and 4 double GOLD 2 interfaces. I get the impression that the nadir (Earth facing) side of the platform is reserved for another payload. Possibly a FRAM for a 2th MUSES platform.
This document is still a bit vage: slide 7 (added image).
I'm curious for your thoughts about this.
« Last Edit: 10/29/2017 04:15 PM by Rik ISS-fan »

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #21 on: 10/28/2017 07:57 AM »
http://spacenews.com/qa-airbus-oliver-juckenhofel-gung-ho-on-deep-space-gateway/
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We expect to launch Bartolomeo in 2018.
Most likely Bartolomeo and Bishop (Nanoracks Commercial Airlock) will be delayed by more than a year.
AFAIK, Bartolomeo and Bishop are pressurized payloads for SpX-19 and SpX-21.
SpX-16 (or -14) deliver IDA-3 to the ISS. All other SpaceX resupply missions have external science payloads.
HTV-6; -7; -8 and -9 have all six Li-ion batteries as pressurized payload. And AFAIK Cygnus and Dreamchaser can't deliver it to the ISS. So only if IDA is delayed or dropped or the manifest has been shuffled, Bartolomeo will be available NET2019. (This is also stated in the 2017 presentation, page 2: I posted; Mission duration 2019-2024.)
Don't you mean unpressurized payloads (i.e. in the trunk/external)?  This article on the Dragon External Cargo Manifest from last year has Bartolomeo listed as manifested on SpX-19.  Not sure if there's been a change since, though it is possible.  The summary page from that presentation also stated explicitly: "Platform will be available from 2nd quarter 2019 on..."

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I like the Oceaneering GOLD2 payload connector, looks even smaller than CLPA adapter, that Nanoracks Kaber deployer is using. The MISSE-FF, uses a smaler version, most likely called GOLD, to connect MSC's (MISSE Sample Carriers) to the payload facility.
The document states that Bartolomeo has 4 single and 4 double GOLD 2 interfaces. I get the impression that the nadir (Earth facing) side of the platform is reserved for another payload. Possibly a FRAM for a 2th MUSES platform.
This document is still a bit vage: slide 7 (added image).
I'm curious for your thoughts about this.
From that image, Slot 7 and Slot 8 are on opposite sides of the platform.  You can see that Slot 8 has a (hard to see) dashed outline to indicate that it is on the opposite side from the viewer (i.e. it's on the nadir side).  Plus this is also evident if you look at the available payload "views" color chart from that slide.  Given that it's clearly been included in the counting, I feel like they would have explicitly stated any unique features for that spot if there were any.  I'm not sure why Slots 7 & 8 aren't shown as potential double slots though because in the notional image earlier in the presentation it shows 2 boxes on the zenith side of the platform.
Shouldn't reality posts be in "Advanced concepts"?  --Nomadd

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #22 on: 10/29/2017 04:14 PM »
Don't you mean unpressurized payloads (i.e. in the trunk/external)? 
:-[ sorry indeed it's unpressurized.

The added image (Slide 4, [and also slide 5]) makes  it confusing, it looks like there are two GOLD2 interfaces on the top of the Bartolomeo platform. And there also looks to be a payload on the bottom.
The OSIRISv3 (laser) optical communication payload looks to be placed on Slot4. But it's still available on the presentation.

So I've got the impression there are one or two additional slot's (most likely already reserved for payloads or hardware to make the platform function). At least one on the top and possibly one on the bottom.
I agree that Slot7 (Zenith) and Slot 8(Nadir) are on opposite sides of the platform. You've explained it very well.
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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #23 on: 02/07/2018 06:11 PM »
ESA Signed a contract with Airbus Defence and Space for Bartolomeo.
ESA news article
And the news release from Airbus

Source: Airbus
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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #24 on: 02/10/2018 11:43 AM »
Because Airbus deleted the youtube video.
Let's post the link to the new twitter video

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #25 on: 02/12/2018 05:52 AM »
If delayed significantly due to NASA/ISS resupply flow, any chance ESA could just 'buy' the services of a used Dragon/F9, foe a dedicated mission to take this up, and utilize internal volume for first customers? Seems like a great commercial case to be made and profit from researchers could begin earlier, post installation, perhaps.

Would still have to find room in the VV schedule, but I'm sure something could be worked out.

Just spit-balling, but SpX's services are (I think?) decreasing in costs, so perhaps this isn't a horrible idea to consider?

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #26 on: 02/12/2018 08:50 AM »
The Bartolomeo external platform is a ~40mln Euro investment for Airbus Space.
A dedicated Dragon launch would add at least 150mln dollar to this. So I don't think that is realistic.

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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #27 on: 02/12/2018 09:07 AM »
The Bartolomeo external platform is a ~40mln Euro investment for Airbus Space.
A dedicated Dragon launch would add at least 150mln dollar to this. So I don't think that is realistic.

Not arguing for a dedicated launch to occur, but I'm not sure the 150M Euro ($184M USD) figure is all that accurate unless only using a new F9 and a new Dragon (of which there are none) + top-shelf (!!) pre-mission processing fees. Regardless, valid point on dedicated launch costs exceeding investment costs (40M Euro).

Then again, is Airbus trying to make money from customers (researchers) off this investment or just giving the research space away? If the former, then all costs could conceivably be recouped if priced correctly, if the latter, then it's a wash anyway if its just spending money to give away research space. :-)
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Re: ISS Bartolomeo - Additional External Payload Facilities
« Reply #28 on: 03/26/2018 02:50 PM »
Airbus: First high capacity space-to-ground laser communications system for the new European external ISS Platform Bartolomeo

edit to add: AFAIK, the ICE cubes payload will most likely be linked to the laser communications terminal, so also internal payloads could benefit from the higher data download rate. 
« Last Edit: 03/26/2018 02:54 PM by Rik ISS-fan »

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