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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #60 on: 11/23/2023 09:37 pm »
So,  it appears one of Ukraines latest generation naval drones has washed ashore. They are widely believed to be Starlink powered.



Apparently, it's been updated from the single one, here is an old illustrated video.  The one you posted is a much improved and sleek design.

« Last Edit: 11/24/2023 01:22 am by catdlr »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #61 on: 11/24/2023 12:03 am »
The point is this is Ukraine's newest generation Magura V5 naval drone that washed ashore with what appears to be two antennas.  Much more evoled compared to the first generation naval drones in your video. Wonder what went wrong. 

People have in the past been a bit touchy up thread when you state Starlink as an absolute. Hence the prefacing.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #62 on: 12/31/2023 07:54 pm »
Oleg Kutkov reporting that Ukraine service centers repaired 10,000 dishes over the last year.  They have also developed specialized training, hardware, and software to take fullest advantage of the kit.  I can imagine that SpaceX and the Pentagon are watching closely to see what they can learn.

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Year of @Starlink in #Ukraine. Real stories from the community.
- More than 10000 terminals repaired (all services)
- Many modifications and adaptations have been developed (auto, power, GPS).
- Unique training materials and lectures.
- Unique auxiliary software was created.

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1741534309813518597
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #63 on: 01/18/2024 05:07 pm »
VOA's Chinese service has a good tweet and accompanying article about China's officially-expressed fears regarding Starlink, both in its original form and direct-to-cell, and its efforts to field its own communications megaconstellation.  @jcm was interviewed for it.

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The U.S. satellite Internet system "Starlink" technology that covers the world continues to make breakthroughs, causing renewed anxiety in the Chinese military and academic circles. Chinese state-owned enterprises will launch thousands of low-orbit satellites starting this year to create a Chinese version of the satellite Internet "State Grid" to compete with it. However, experts believe that in terms of rocket launch technology, the gap between China and the US commercial satellite launch giant SpaceX is still widening.
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In 2022, a woman in Iran died after being detained by the "moral police", triggering large-scale protests across the country . Musk decided at that time to strengthen the coverage of "Starlink" in Iran to help people break through the Iranian authorities' Internet blockade and censorship and use online social media.

Experts say that these international events have made China realize the role of "Starlink" in free network communications and the urgency of building a "Made in China" satellite Internet.

Namrata Goswami, a scholar of space policy and geopolitics, told VOA: "China has concluded through observations last year that in the event of an escalation of the conflict in Taiwan, something similar to Starlink Once technology intervenes, the strategic support force of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, also known as China's space force, must deal with it very seriously."
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However, the newly launched Direct to Cell function of "Starlink" has also caused concerns among Chinese officials. On January 3 this year, SpaceX successfully launched 21 "Starlink" satellites, including 6 with direct connection to mobile phones; smartphone users on the ground (4G or above) can connect to the broadband network without purchasing additional equipment. SpaceX calls this type of "Starlink" satellite a "cell phone tower in space."

The "China National Defense News" article stated that after this business achieves large-scale application in the future, the "Starlink" system will be connected to a large number of communication devices to achieve seamless global communications. Whether this feature will be open to Chinese users is still unknown.

However, Rogier Creemers, assistant professor of Modern China Studies at Leiden University in the Netherlands and co-founder of the “DigiChina” project at Stanford University’s Cyber ​​Policy Center, told VOA: “(The Chinese government) Wants to block any network connections it doesn't control."

https://twitter.com/VOAChinese/status/1747810288479719643
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #64 on: 01/22/2024 11:50 pm »
https://www.army-technology.com/news/germany-demonstrates-passive-radar-system-using-starlink-satellite-radiation/

Looks like Fraunhofer Institute for High Frequency Physics and Radar Techniques built a bistatic (multistatic?) SABBIA 2.0 passive radar system demonstrator using reflected Starlink signals.

If you bathe the planet in a reasonable amount of emitted RF, you've essentially built a lot of the infrastructure for a global passive radar system for everybody (but this isn't a full planet surveillance system per se, just a localized radar system). If you had a distributed network of SDR's, you could potentially cobble together an air defense network (this is similar to previous research on using cellular network towers as components of a bistatic radar system). With the prevalence of SDR's at hobbyist prices, this potentially makes air defense radar capability available to any nation or organization on earth on the cheap.

SpaceX just built a global passive radar illuminator by accident, though is this a natural result/byproduct of any full global constellation with sufficiently high and consistent RF power?
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #65 on: 01/24/2024 01:40 am »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #66 on: 01/24/2024 05:10 pm »
A good, long article from Sandra Erwin at Space News mostly about the increasing use of Starlink by the DOD.  Worth a read in its entirety, but here are a couple of good quotes.

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Under the PLEO indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity (IDIQ) contract, space companies will be able to bid on about $900 million worth of military task orders over the next five years. “Once we make a determination of a customer’s needs, we try to help connect them to capability as soon as possible,” said Hopper.
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Starlink service is now highly sought after by many parts of the DoD and U.S. armed forces. Of the $70 million task order awarded to SpaceX, “we’ve obligated approximately $25 million in funds sourced from about 50 different customers” across the DoD, Hopper added. “We’re seeing a diverse demand for that vehicle, and we’ve been modifying that particular task order seemingly every couple of weeks.”
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Hopper noted that the $70 million task order is not a complete reflection of DoD’s entire use of Starlink, as some organizations procure services under other contracts not managed by CSCO.
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She said the current contract ceiling of $900 million could be raised if needed. “We are working with DISA on perhaps adjusting that due to demand.”

https://spacenews.com/dods-satcom-evolution/

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #67 on: 02/06/2024 02:22 am »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/europe/ukraine-drone-jet-skis-russian-warship-intl/index.html

A Ukrainian pilot outlines how drones powered by jet skis sunk a Russian warship

‘Jeweler’s work’
The impact of the drones is impressive but it’s delicate work, said the pilot.

“The main thing is to feel the drone,” he told CNN. “If you squeeze it a little, you can lose control of the drone. I would say it’s like jeweler’s work.

Controlled from afar via a Starlink connection, the drones can also be pre-programmed for the long journeys across the Black Sea.

A pilot is constantly monitoring the drone’s passage, he said, with the final run into the targets often controlled manually.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #68 on: 02/06/2024 03:05 am »
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/05/europe/ukraine-drone-jet-skis-russian-warship-intl/index.html

A Ukrainian pilot outlines how drones powered by jet skis sunk a Russian warship

‘Jeweler’s work’
The impact of the drones is impressive but it’s delicate work, said the pilot.

“The main thing is to feel the drone,” he told CNN. “If you squeeze it a little, you can lose control of the drone. I would say it’s like jeweler’s work.

Controlled from afar via a Starlink connection, the drones can also be pre-programmed for the long journeys across the Black Sea.

A pilot is constantly monitoring the drone’s passage, he said, with the final run into the targets often controlled manually.

« Last Edit: 02/06/2024 03:05 am by catdlr »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #69 on: 02/09/2024 03:50 am »
Starlink is now used by the Russians in Ukraine as well.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-starlink-ukraine-war-elon-musk-1868125

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #70 on: 02/10/2024 07:26 pm »
Yes, the Russians realized that they can use Starlink at the front as well.  This is of course all acceptable to Ukraine, given that SpaceX can play a bit of whackamole on terminals in Russian hands.  Lots of controversy and ill-informed emotional nonsense, to which SpaceX has responded.

https://twitter.com/Starlink/status/1755666250431443347
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #71 on: 02/11/2024 09:54 pm »
Added reports of frontline Starlink use by russian forces. Additional, there appears to be (new?) Starlink service degradation for ukrainian frontline users, which is a serious issue due to the ukrainian armed forces relying heavily on it.

It isn't obvious if the degradation affects all Starlink users in the area of the frontlines, or russia is somehow selectively jamming ukrainian specific or pinpoint area specific terminals.

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1756258867636269400

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #72 on: 02/12/2024 06:36 pm »
Musk further denies that SpaceX has sold, directly or indirectly, Starlink terminals to the Russian government.  At this point, I wonder whether this whole episode should be understand as a Ukrainian governmental response in its broader feud with Musk.  [deleted]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1756758674087825879
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A number of false news reports claim that SpaceX is selling Starlink terminals to Russia.

This is categorically false.

To the best of our knowledge, no Starlinks have been sold directly or indirectly to Russia.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #73 on: 02/12/2024 07:42 pm »
Oleg repairs Starlink terminals for the UA army:

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1755703062734176694

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I need to comment on this.
🇷🇺 are importing Starlink terminals from 3rd countries with huge overprice (I mean 5k-6k USD per Dishy). They are paying for the service via front persons and EU cards. Nothing special.
Starlink is not working in 🇷🇺, only on 🇺🇦 land (including occupied).

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⚡️The 🇺🇦Ukrainian military reports that Starlink has begun to be delivered en masse to the 🇷🇺Russian military through Dubai, the accounts are activated and work in the occupied territories.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #74 on: 02/13/2024 08:08 am »
https://twitter.com/starlinkinsider/status/1757270947243999596
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Starlink is currently being used in Sudan by a Paramilitary group amid a nationwide internet blackout.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #75 on: 02/24/2024 07:26 pm »
Forbes is reporting on a congressional effort to pressure Musk into providing Starshield in Taiwan and surrounding areas to the US military.  Musk probably wants to wash his hands of this decision by being forced into providing service.  But there are a lot of complicated issues that are touched on in the article, such as Taiwan's domestic ownership requirements.  The one item that the article omits is Taiwan's efforts to burrow in to the satellite supply chain, something that it seems Musk would never accept as it relates to Starlink/Starshield.

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A group of U.S. lawmakers are calling on Elon Musk to make SpaceX’s Starshield military-specific satellite communications network available to American defense forces in Taiwan after years of refusing to do business in the country.

In a letter to Musk obtained by Forbes, Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-WI) reminded the billionaire of SpaceX’s contractual obligation to provide the U.S. Department of Defense with “global access” to its satellite internet services. He noted that the Pentagon is committing “tens of millions of dollars” over the next year to StarShield, which uses low-Earth orbit satellites to provide communications and observational imagery to the military. “I understand that SpaceX is possibly withholding broadband internet services in and around Taiwan — possibly in breach of SpaceX’s contractual obligations with the U.S. government,” Gallagher, who is chair of the Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, wrote in the letter dated February 24.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidjeans/2024/02/24/elon-musk-taiwan-spacex-starshield/?sh=37bd0c947c1e
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #76 on: 02/29/2024 04:15 pm »
An item that has both defense and commercial implications, Reuters is reporting that discussions with Vietnam for military Starlink/Starshield service have been suspended due to 50%+ local ownership rules.  To recap, at least Malaysia has waived that rule.  Perhaps others have too.  On the other hand, Taiwan has not waived that rule.

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But the discussions were interrupted in the last quarter of 2023 when it became clear that lawmakers in the Communist-ruled country would not soften foreign ownership limits for SpaceX, the industry source told Reuters.

The suspension of talks led to the interruption starting in November of Starlink's previously unreported pilot services for Vietnam's coast guard, which used the satellites to guide drones in the South China Sea and the Gulf of Thailand, a second Vietnamese official said.
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The industry source said SpaceX had also been in discussions with Vietnam about providing technology services for military outposts.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacexs-talks-with-vietnam-over-starlink-hold-sources-say-2024-02-29/
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #77 on: 02/29/2024 07:13 pm »
I'm shutting this thread down as it's getting abused by people with political motives, people who seem to get shaky hands if they don't post something, anything, on a thread on here, and absolutely terrible sources that have community notes and corrections over them. There is no value here.

No need to send me a long whiny PM about it, we won't be changing our minds because the mods are sick and tired of endless report to mods about who what when related to this thread. The internet is a big place,  if you feel the urge to post wacky source tweets and then add your own commentary, go on Reddit. :)
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