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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #40 on: 03/26/2023 06:33 pm »
Using Starlink Paints a Target on Ukrainian Troops

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One drone unit commander near the Ukrainian city of Bakhmut said his problems were unrelated to GPS jamming. Sometime in January, the commander said, Starlink uplink had been degraded to the point that his units often couldn’t make audio calls. Instead, the device could only send and receive text messages. The Starlink terminal also took longer to find satellites. Clark said these problems were likely due to advanced jamming systems that attack the uplink of information to a satellite. The Russian military typically keeps these systems in reserve to defend Russian territory itself. They are theoretically vulnerable to Ukrainian strikes as they must be deployed within dozens of kilometers from their target and are not highly mobile.
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Possibly related: In the last three days Ukraine has destroyed three of Russia's most advanced jammers near the front lines:

https://twitter.com/bayraktar_1love/status/1640008232847523840

Most are seeing this as related to drones, but could be a response to attacks on Starlink as well.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #41 on: 03/30/2023 02:52 am »
Interesting practical issues with Dishy use in aggressive environments...


https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1637765204258746368

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #42 on: 04/18/2023 06:21 pm »
Russia unveils secretive weapon to target SpaceX’s Starlink in Ukraine

Extensively refers to work done by NSF member B. Hendrickx, see Russian space-related electronic warfare projects

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Hendrickx, a Belgium-based amateur researcher whose uncovering of Russian procurement and court documents has yielded most of the limited public information available about the Tobol program, initially concluded that the system was defensive in nature, according to his 2020 analysis published by the Space Review. But further analysis, underpinned by court documents describing “specialized complexes for the electronic attack of space assets,” led to fresh revelations and he predicted last year that Tobol can be used offensively.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #43 on: 04/20/2023 06:44 pm »
Russia unveils secretive weapon to target SpaceX’s Starlink in Ukraine

Extensively refers to work done by NSF member B. Hendrickx, see Russian space-related electronic warfare projects

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Hendrickx, a Belgium-based amateur researcher whose uncovering of Russian procurement and court documents has yielded most of the limited public information available about the Tobol program, initially concluded that the system was defensive in nature, according to his 2020 analysis published by the Space Review. But further analysis, underpinned by court documents describing “specialized complexes for the electronic attack of space assets,” led to fresh revelations and he predicted last year that Tobol can be used offensively.
More updates directly from B. Hendrickx in the thread Russian space-related electronic warfare projects
« Last Edit: 04/20/2023 06:51 pm by jpo234 »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #44 on: 05/12/2023 06:13 am »
Looks like ukrainian users can now somewhat bypass GPS jamming inhibiting the system by ignoring GPS

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1655697905263542272

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #45 on: 05/20/2023 10:42 am »
Artillery adjustment from commercial drones over Starlink:
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #46 on: 05/20/2023 12:47 pm »
I believe it's being used by the troops running the drones to communicate directly with other troops running the artillery. So not to directly control the drones. It more like a cellphone network with video. 

I hesitate to say back with HQ because they are using a very decentralized force structure. Several articles are out how they using a decentralized system where someone in the field identified a target and posts it. Then a single gun crew picks it up and works it. Drones corrected artillery plays a significant factor in this. Starlink appears to be the communications backbone between the different units.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #47 on: 06/01/2023 04:13 pm »
https://twitter.com/joroulette/status/1664293682596421632

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SpaceX's Starlink has a Pentagon contract for internet service in Ukraine, the DoD said in a statement today. But the value, award date, other details are unclear.

https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/pentagon-buys-starlink-ukraine-statement-2023-06-01/

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #48 on: 07/27/2023 08:00 pm »
Supposedly a StarLink dishy captured by Russian forces...
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #49 on: 09/08/2023 04:53 am »
Supposedly a StarLink dishy captured by Russian forces...

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #50 on: 09/08/2023 07:31 pm »
A fascinating excerpt from the upcoming Walter Isaacson bio of Musk, which is directly related to Starlink's use in Ukraine.  The fixer in Washington in all of this is Shotwell, which I don't think has been detailed elsewhere.

I guess the saying "no press is bad press" applies here.  Everybody is learning that Starlink is uniquely useful in war.  It appears to me that the Pentagon made a mistake in trying to treat the system as just another provider of bandwidth, as it did until recently.

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Shotwell, president of SpaceX, also felt strongly that the company should stop subsidizing the Ukrainian military operation. Providing humanitarian help was fine, but private companies should not be financing a foreign country’s war. That should be left to the government, which is why the United States has a foreign military sales program that puts a layer of protection between private companies and foreign governments. Other companies, including big and profitable defense contractors, were charging billions to supply weapons to Ukraine, so it seemed unfair that Starlink, which was not yet profitable, should do it for free.

“We initially gave the Ukrainians free service for humanitarian and defense purposes, such as keeping up their hospitals and banking systems,” she says. “But then they started putting them on f---ing drones trying to blow up Russian ships. I’m happy to donate services for ambulances and hospitals and mothers. That’s what companies and people should do. But it’s wrong to pay for military drone strikes.”
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In the end, with Shotwell’s help, SpaceX made arrangements with various government agencies to pay for increased Starlink service in Ukraine, with the military and CIA working out the terms of service. More than 100,000 new satellite dishes were sent to Ukraine at the beginning of 2023. In addition, Starlink launched a companion service called Starshield, which was specifically designed for military use. SpaceX licensed Starshield satellites and services to the U.S. military and other agencies, allowing the government to determine how they could and should be used in Ukraine and elsewhere.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/09/07/elon-musk-starlink-ukraine-russia-invasion/
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #51 on: 09/08/2023 08:15 pm »
Ukraine War: Elon Musk sparks fury after thwarting a Ukrainian attack on Russia

Start of discussion at 1:14.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #52 on: 09/16/2023 02:48 pm »
Musk update:

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1699917639043404146

Quote from: Mario Nawfal
The source was CNN referencing Walter Isaacson's biography.

Thank you for clarifying the facts, and glad to see Starlink was not activated in such a contentious territory.

Quote from: Elon Musk
There was an emergency request from government authorities to activate Starlink all the way to Sevastopol.

The obvious intent being to sink most of the Russian fleet at anchor.

If I had agreed to their request, then SpaceX would be explicitly complicit in a major act of war and conflict escalation.

MSNBC update:



NBC News:



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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #53 on: 09/17/2023 09:58 am »
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What particular of "Updates only" is not understood?  This thread is "updates only."

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Edit/add: Further comment noted.  One post edited, with sarcasm? moved to the party thread. 🥳

Nomadd's technical/political explanations, and discussion thereof, split/merged to here in the Implications of Russo-Ukrainian War for spaceflight thread, in the Space Policy sub-forum.
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #54 on: 09/22/2023 10:56 pm »
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/exclusive-interview-with-ukraines-spy-boss-from-his-dc-hotel-room

TWZ - Reporter
KB - Kyrylo Budanov, Ukraine Intelligence chief.

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TWZ: There was the discussion over Walter Isaacson’s book excerpt and whether Musk shut off Starlink to prevent a Ukrainian attack on Sevastopol last year, or whether as he claimed he denied a request to provide it.

KB: Look, [Starlink] is a private property of a private person. Yes we really very widely use his products and services. The whole of the line of contact talks to each other to some extent using his products and services. The only thing I can say here is that without those services and products it would be a catastrophe. But it is true that he did turn off his products and services over Crimea before. But there's another side to that truth. Everybody's been aware of that.

TWZ: So he did turn it off?

KB: This specific case everybody's referring to, there was a shutdown of the coverage over Crimea, but it wasn't at that specific moment. That shutdown was for a month. There might have been some specific cases I'm not aware of. But I'm totally sure that throughout the whole first period of the war, there was no coverage at all.

TWZ: But did he ever put it on and then shut it off?

KB: There have been no problems since it's been turned on over Crimea.

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #55 on: 09/26/2023 06:51 pm »
ArsTechnica article with extensive references to Starlink: Space Force chief says commercial satellites may need defending

Also contains a link to this study from last year: Can Starlink Satellites Be Lawfully Targeted?

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Article 52(2) of Additional Protocol I (API), which reflects customary international law, sets forth the definition of a military objective. To qualify as such, Starlink must by its nature, location, purpose, or use make an effective contribution to (Ukraine’s) military action and its total or partial destruction, capture, or neutralization, in the circumstances ruling at the time, must offer (Russia) a definite military advantage.

In the Russia-Ukraine war context, these requirements are met: Starlink is being used to provide Ukrainian military forces with high-speed internet and communication, which effectively contributes to their military operations. For example, it has enabled interception of Russian battlefield communications, facilitated Ukrainian C2 and information operations, and assisted a Ukrainian drone unit to destroy Russian tanks. One Ukrainian soldier described Starlink as having changed the war in Ukraine’s favor. Denying Ukraine this capability would undoubtedly offer Russia a definite military advantage.
« Last Edit: 09/26/2023 06:53 pm by jpo234 »
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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #56 on: 10/28/2023 04:38 pm »
A careful, narrow statement of Starlink support in Gaza.

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Starlink will support connectivity to internationally recognized aid organizations in Gaza.

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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1718224153474388433

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #57 on: 11/15/2023 04:52 am »
Starlink has shut down unofficial roaming service in Lebanon and made the region restricted at the request of the Lebanese government. The service was unofficial as the expected service availability date on the Starlink map was always "Service date is unknown at this time." I checked multiple times in the past. The following email was sent to a Starlink user:

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Your Starlink is connected in a region where Starlink service is restricted. We have been instructed by the Lebanese government to disable service until they approve your use. In compliance with this directive, your Starlink service will be disabled today [Nov 7th]. If you would like Starlink to submit your account to the Lebanese government for approval to reinstate service, please provide the following information:

1. A copy of the picture ID of the local user
2. The name of the local user
3. A local service address where the Starlink services and kit will be used
4. Phone number local user
5. Email of local user
6. The name and website of the entity or organization using Starlink, if applicable

In some instances, we may need to follow up with additional questions. Please note that your information may be provided to third-parties for verification and approval, such as the local telecommunication authorities.

Source: https://twitter.com/lbnotes/status/1721953270829089119

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #58 on: 11/22/2023 09:12 pm »
Senator Tom Cotton regarding SpaceX and Starlink, in an interview with the WSJ.

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“In 30 years of consolidation of the defense industry, there have only been three companies that have broken through at the department with a big splash. Elon Musk with @SpaceX, and by extension #Starlink, @PalantirTech with Peter Thiel, and @anduriltech with @PalmerLuckey. It should not take an iconoclastic billionaire willing to break China at the Pentagon. The department should be a lot more open to commercial off-the-shelf solutions.”

https://x.com/sachinvats/status/1727318761424994761?s=20

https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-the-u-s-ready-for-war-military-weapons-warfare-ukraine-middle-east-asia-tom-cotton-5c9032e8

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Re: Starlink @ War - UPDATE ONLY
« Reply #59 on: 11/23/2023 03:53 pm »
So,  it appears one of Ukraines latest generation naval drones has washed ashore. They are widely believed to be Starlink powered.

https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1727398050228998193?t=o4T6kFQK3e-UtgHveyPvnA&s=19
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