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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #20 on: 03/01/2022 04:03 pm »
Checking the maps based on public info there should at least be gateways in Turkey, Poland and Lithuania that together cover all of Ukraine.
I spent some time watching the representation of available ground stations and resulting coverage as estimated by the third-party site starlink.sx

While coverage appears good in the west of Ukraine and on east of Kiev, it appears completely non-existent in the eastern Donbas regions including Luhansk and Donestk.  I think Dnipro is a rough reference: west of that would be OK, east rapidly petering out.  Unless, of course, SpaceX tinkers with the angle limit imposed on satellite to ground station links.  Or, possibly that web site is misinformed as to those limits, or there is an additional ground station not known to that web site.
A general item here. Do not forget a significant number of planes have active ISL's working. Although this would not give a 24/7 connection. It would be a significant amount of time every day that a connection is possible. It takes about 2 to 3 months to get a launched Starlink sat to it's operational orbit position. About 2 to 4 orbital planes (~100 sats). With additional planes coming online every month, an additional ~100 to 150 sats.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #21 on: 03/01/2022 10:16 pm »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

Itíd be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
Whoa. Russia and SpaceX going to war? We know how that would work out. After he wins, Elon would have access to unlimited natural gas.
Don't mess with someone who can rain 100 tonnes worth of tungsten rods on the Kremlin ;)

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #22 on: 03/02/2022 02:24 am »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

Itíd be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
Whoa. Russia and SpaceX going to war? We know how that would work out. After he wins, Elon would have access to unlimited natural gas.
Don't mess with someone who can rain 100 tonnes worth of tungsten rods on the Kremlin ;)
100+ tonnes is in the future. But about 40 tonnes of rods is doable now ;)

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #23 on: 03/02/2022 12:21 pm »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

Itíd be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
Whoa. Russia and SpaceX going to war? We know how that would work out. After he wins, Elon would have access to unlimited natural gas.
Don't mess with someone who can rain 100 tonnes worth of tungsten rods on the Kremlin ;)
The problem with tungsten rods, I'm told, is overpenetration. yes, you can put a telephone sized hole through  a deeply buried bunker. But odds are against anything important being in that telephone poll diameter destruction. There's no blast.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #24 on: 03/02/2022 02:08 pm »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

Itíd be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
Whoa. Russia and SpaceX going to war? We know how that would work out. After he wins, Elon would have access to unlimited natural gas.
Don't mess with someone who can rain 100 tonnes worth of tungsten rods on the Kremlin ;)
The problem with tungsten rods, I'm told, is overpenetration. yes, you can put a telephone sized hole through  a deeply buried bunker. But odds are against anything important being in that telephone poll diameter destruction. There's no blast.

Send in a few thousand rods then, that outta do it.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #25 on: 03/02/2022 02:19 pm »
Guys. Back on topic.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #26 on: 03/02/2022 03:43 pm »
Guys. Back on topic.

Sucks is a bunch of Gen 1 kits were sent to Ukraine and bumping reservation holders from getting a kit. Though from Reddit Starlink Group. They don't seem to worked over by it. Even to some wanting to donate their kits back to SpaceX's to be sent over there. I for one still enjoy my Gen 1 dish. and have family members still on the list. I just tell them they will arguably get a better kit with Gen 2. 

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #27 on: 03/02/2022 03:55 pm »

Sucks is a bunch of Gen 1 kits were sent to Ukraine and bumping reservation holders from getting a kit. Though from Reddit Starlink Group. They don't seem to worked over by it. Even to some wanting to donate their kits back to SpaceX's to be sent over there. I for one still enjoy my Gen 1 dish. and have family members still on the list. I just tell them they will arguably get a better kit with Gen 2. 
Yeah, a real disaster. That must be at least 1/5 of a day production for the terminals. I hope reservation holders can survive the delay.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #28 on: 03/02/2022 04:08 pm »

Sucks is a bunch of Gen 1 kits were sent to Ukraine and bumping reservation holders from getting a kit. Though from Reddit Starlink Group. They don't seem to worked over by it. Even to some wanting to donate their kits back to SpaceX's to be sent over there. I for one still enjoy my Gen 1 dish. and have family members still on the list. I just tell them they will arguably get a better kit with Gen 2. 
Yeah, a real disaster. That must be at least 1/5 of a day production for the terminals. I hope reservation holders can survive the delay.

More the delay more Fiber to Home gets finished for some. Which is win-win for everybody.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #29 on: 03/02/2022 04:35 pm »
As a somewhat cranky longtime reservation holder, I joyfully encourage SpaceX to send my unit to Ukraine.

Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #30 on: 03/03/2022 02:27 am »
As a somewhat cranky longtime reservation holder, I joyfully encourage SpaceX to send my unit to Ukraine.
     

Me Too !!

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #31 on: 03/03/2022 03:26 am »
https://twitter.com/fedorovmykhailo/status/1499091570292834304

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@elonmusk @SpaceX @SpaceXStarlink many thx! Starlink keeps our cities connected and emergency services saving lives!

With Russian attacks on our infra, we need generators to keep Starlinks & life-saving services online - ideas?
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Katya Pavlushchenko: Dmitry @Rogozin to Russia Today: "When Russia implements its highest national interests on the territory of Ukraine, @elonmusk appears with his Starlink which was previously declared as purely civilian. Here is this mud (мурло) opened himself..."



Elon Musk: Ukraine civilian Internet was experiencing strange outages Ė bad weather perhaps? Ė so SpaceX is helping fix it

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #32 on: 03/03/2022 03:31 am »
Iím a big Elon fan.

Not sure if this particular bear bating is worth the risk, however.

Dunno. My risk tolerance is obviously much lower than his🤷‍♂️

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #33 on: 03/03/2022 03:51 am »
Iím a big Elon fan.

Not sure if this particular bear bating is worth the risk, however.

Dunno. My risk tolerance is obviously much lower than his🤷‍♂️

If youíre referring to the Twitter thing, I think thatís immaterial next to the sending of the terminals.

As for sending the terminalsÖ. Itís good PR and I suspect he feels itís the right thing to do.  I do.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #34 on: 03/03/2022 03:58 am »
Iím a big Elon fan.

Not sure if this particular bear bating is worth the risk, however.

Dunno. My risk tolerance is obviously much lower than his🤷‍♂️

He was asked to help, it's kind of hard to refuse. And his tweet reply to Rogozin emphasizes this is for civilian use and it's basically a humanitarian aid, I think it's a good reply without too much confrontation and drama.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #35 on: 03/03/2022 04:11 am »
Iím a big Elon fan.

Not sure if this particular bear bating is worth the risk, however.

Dunno. My risk tolerance is obviously much lower than his🤷‍♂️

He was asked to help, it's kind of hard to refuse. And his tweet reply to Rogozin emphasizes this is for civilian use and it's basically a humanitarian aid, I think it's a good reply without too much confrontation and drama.

Yep, I definitely agree with the aid provided. Iím referring to the Twitter aspect of it. But who knows, maybe thatís indeed insignificant.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #36 on: 03/03/2022 05:15 am »
Iím a big Elon fan.

Not sure if this particular bear bating is worth the risk, however.

Dunno. My risk tolerance is obviously much lower than his🤷‍♂️

He was asked to help, it's kind of hard to refuse. And his tweet reply to Rogozin emphasizes this is for civilian use and it's basically a humanitarian aid, I think it's a good reply without too much confrontation and drama.

Nonsense, the Starlink terminals establishes a secure command, control and communications network for the Ukrainian government in addition to providing internet access.

Elon was definitely bear baiting. But he likely got the weight of uncle Sam behind him. His delay in replying to vice minister Federov was most likely due to waiting for a wink from the Biden administration, IMO.

Elon's risk tolerance is quite high. One must remember that Tesla and SpaceX faces the spectre of bankruptcy at same time during 2008, Musk rolled the dice with his last remaining cash to keep both of them afloat. His reward is being the current richest civilian of the world.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #37 on: 03/03/2022 07:15 am »
But these ARE just regular civilian units. The fact that Russia invaded doesnít mean Ukraine doesnít get civilian satellite terminals.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #38 on: 03/03/2022 05:22 pm »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499442132402130951


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Updating software to reduce peak power consumption, so Starlink can be powered from car cigarette lighter.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #39 on: 03/04/2022 02:00 am »
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1499472139333746691

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Important warning: Starlink is the only non-Russian communications system still working in some parts of Ukraine, so probability of being targeted is high. Please use with caution.



Turn on Starlink only when needed and place antenna away as far away from people as possible



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