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Offline Chris Bergin

Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« on: 02/12/2022 07:58 pm »
Thread 1:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=36552.0

Thread 2:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=48297.0

Articles:
https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/?s=Starlink

Needed a new thread after the previous was getting out of hand (likely from competitors trying to spread FUD).

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #1 on: 02/16/2022 02:55 am »
https://spacenews.com/china-proposes-formal-lines-of-communication-with-u-s-on-space-safety/

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Getting in touch with Chinese officials has been difficult in the past. “We don’t know exactly who to contact on the Chinese side,” said Bill Gerstenmaier, vice president of build and flight reliability at SpaceX, during a panel at the AIAA ASCEND conference in November. He said SpaceX checks for close approaches of its Starlink satellites with the International Space Station and China’s space station.

While notifications of close approaches with the ISS are straightforward, SpaceX has had to work with the State Department and other U.S. government agencies on getting notifications to China. “We provide information to the State Department, but I don’t know what happens after,” he said.

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A study by COMSPOC found that Starlink satellites account for only about 7% of all close approaches with China’s space station, with the majority coming from debris, including from China’s own anti-satellite weapon test in 2007.

“These findings suggest that Starlink spacecraft do not place undue flight safety burden on the Tiangong Space Station crew or their flight dynamics staff as compared to other active spacecraft that transit Tiangong’s orbit altitude band,” COMSPOC’s Dan Oltrogge and Sal Alfano concluded in their Jan. 3 assessment.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #2 on: 02/16/2022 02:57 am »
https://twitter.com/seattleix/status/1488917010201206785

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SpaceX - Starlink (AS14593) has added 2x100G bringing their capacity to a total of 2x2x100G. They are connected to the route servers.

https://twitter.com/Megaconstellati/status/1493534776569044995

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[email protected] appears to be migrating #Starlink customers from the @googlecloud network (AS36492) to its own  AS14593. Many new POPs (https://peeringdb.com/asn/14593) incl IXP ports, new IPv4 prefix announcements (public IPv4 instead of CGNAT coming?) & new upstreams (https://bgp.he.net/AS14593#_asinfo)

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #3 on: 02/21/2022 05:06 am »
Will this increase the chance of it stays in orbit longer (thus debris)?
https://twitter.com/SpaceflightNow/status/1495627180361064451?t=8UzltwCzvO7nV58pLq8ibg&s=19
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #4 on: 02/21/2022 08:51 am »
Will this increase the chance of it stays in orbit longer (thus debris)?

Yes, but we are talking about weeks, a maximum of a couple of months, and only for those satellites that are recognized as DOA (Dead On Arrival) during the testing process after their launch.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #5 on: 02/25/2022 10:09 am »
From SpaceX official website: SpaceX’s approach to space sustainability and safety

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FEBRUARY 22, 2022

SPACEX'S APPROACH TO SPACE SUSTAINABILITY AND SAFETY

SpaceX was founded to revolutionize space technology towards making life multiplanetary. SpaceX is the world’s leading provider of launch services and is proud to be the first private company to have delivered astronauts to and from the International Space Station (ISS), and the first and only company to complete an all-civilian crewed mission to orbit. As such, SpaceX is deeply committed to maintaining a safe orbital environment, protecting human spaceflight, and ensuring the environment is kept sustainable for future missions to Earth orbit and beyond.

SpaceX has demonstrated this commitment to space safety through action, investing significant resources to ensure that all our launch vehicles, spacecraft, and satellites meet or exceed space safety regulations and best practices, including:

* Designing and building highly reliable, maneuverable satellites that have demonstrated reliability of greater than 99%

* Operating at low altitudes (below 600 km) to ensure no persistent debris, even in the unlikely event a satellite fails on orbit

* Inserting satellites at an especially low altitude to verify health prior to raising into their on-station/operational orbit

* Transparently sharing orbital information with other satellite owners/operators

* Developed an advanced collision avoidance system to take effective action when encounter risks exceed safe thresholds

With space sustainability in mind, we have pushed the state-of-the-art in key technology areas like flying satellites at challenging low altitudes, the use of sustainable electric propulsion for maneuvering and active de-orbit, and employing inter-satellite optical communications to constantly maintain contact with satellites. SpaceX is striving to be the world’s most open and transparent satellite operator, and we encourage other operators to join us in sharing orbital data and keeping the public and governments updated with detailed information about operations and practices.

SpaceX continues to innovate to accelerate space technologies, and we are currently providing much-needed internet connectivity to people all over the globe, including underserved and remote parts of the world, with our Starlink constellation. Below are our operating principles demonstrating our commitment to space sustainability and safety.


DESIGNING AND BUILDING SAFE, RELIABLE AND DEMISABLE SATELLITES

SpaceX satellites are designed and built for high reliability and redundancy in both supply chain and satellite design to successfully carry out their five-year design life. Rigorous part and system-level screening and testing enable us to reliably build and launch satellites at very high rates. We have the capacity to build up to 45 satellites per week, and we have launched up to 240 satellites in a single month. This is an unprecedented rate of deployment for a complex space system — and reflects SpaceX’s commitment to increase broadband accessibility around the world with Starlink as soon as feasible.

The reliability of the satellite network is currently higher than 99% following the deployment of over 2,000 satellites, where only 1% have failed after orbit raising. We de-orbit satellites that are at risk of becoming non-maneuverable to prevent dead satellites from accumulating in orbit. Although this comes at the cost of losing otherwise healthy satellites, we believe this proactive approach is the right thing for space sustainability and safety.

Our satellites use multiple strategies to prevent debris generation in space: design for demise, controlled deorbit to low altitudes, low orbit insertion, low operating orbit, on-board collision avoidance system, reducing the chance small debris will damage the satellite with a low profile satellite chassis and using Whipple shields to protect the key components, reducing risk of explosion with extensive battery pack protection, and failure modes that do not create secondary debris.

SpaceX satellites are propulsively deorbited within weeks of their end-of-mission-life. We reserve enough propellant to deorbit from our operational altitude, and it takes roughly 4 weeks to deorbit. Once the satellites reach an appropriate altitude, we coordinate with the 18th Space Control Squadron. Once coordinated, we initiate a high drag mode, causing the satellite’s velocity to reduce sufficiently that the satellite deorbits. The satellites deorbit quickly from this altitude, depending on atmospheric density. SpaceX is the only commercial operator to have developed expertise in flying in a controlled way in this low altitude, high drag environment, which is incredibly difficult and required a significant investment in specialized satellite engineering. SpaceX made these investments so that we can maintain controlled flight as long as possible prior to deorbit, providing us with the ability to perform any necessary maneuvers to further reduce collision risk.

When a satellite’s altitude decays, it encounters a constantly increasing atmospheric density. Initially, these molecules impact the satellite, but as the air density increases, a high-pressure shock wave forms in front of the spacecraft. As the satellite slows down and descends into the atmosphere, its orbital energy is transferred into the air, heating it to a plasma. The hot plasma sheath envelops the satellite, causing intense heating. Starlink satellites are designed to demise as they reenter the Earth’s atmosphere, meaning they pose no risk to people or property on the ground. Design for demise required the investment of significant engineering resources and often required adding cost and even mass to our satellites, such as our decision to use aluminum rather than composite overwrap pressure vessels for the fuel tank for our propulsion system. SpaceX has safely deorbited over 200 satellites utilizing this approach. By building reliable, debris minimizing satellites, planning for active deorbit and designing for full demisability, we ensure we’re keeping space sustainable and safe.


EXTREMELY LOW ORBIT INSERTION

In addition to SpaceX designing and building very reliable satellites, we further mitigate risks by deploying the satellites into extremely low orbits relative to industry standards. We deploy our satellites into low altitudes (<350km) and use our state-of-the-art electric propulsion thruster to boost the satellites to the operational altitude of approximately 550 km to start their mission. We leverage SpaceX’s technical advancements to maintain controlled flight at these low altitudes. By deploying the satellites into such low altitudes, in the rare case where any SpaceX satellite does not pass initial system checkouts, it is quickly and actively deorbited using its thruster or passively by atmospheric drag. This approach is not without complexity or other challenges. This was best evidenced by the recent February 3rd Starlink launch, after which increased drag from a geomagnetic storm resulted in the premature deorbit of 38 satellites. Despite such challenges, SpaceX firmly believes that a low insertion altitude is key for ensuring responsible space operations.


OPERATING BELOW 600 KM

SpaceX operates its satellites at an altitude below 600 km because of the reduced natural orbit decay time relative to those above 600 km. Starlink operates in "self-cleaning" orbits, meaning that non-maneuverable satellites and debris will lose altitude and deorbit due to atmospheric drag within 5 to 6 years, and often sooner, see Fig. 1. This greatly reduces the risk of persistent orbital debris, and vastly exceeds the FCC and international standard of 25 years (which we believe is outdated and should be reduced). Natural deorbit from altitudes higher than 600 km poses significantly higher orbital debris risk for many years at all lower orbital altitudes as the satellite or debris deorbits. Several other commercial satellite constellations are designed to operate above 1,000 km, where it requires hundreds of years for spacecraft to naturally deorbit if they fail prior to deorbit or are not deorbited by active debris removal, as in Fig. 1. SpaceX invested considerable effort and expense in developing satellites that would fly at these lower altitudes, including investment in sophisticated attitude and propulsion systems. SpaceX is hopeful active debris removal technology will be developed in the near term, but this technology does not currently exist.


Fig. 1: Orbital lifetime for a satellite with a mass-to-area ratio of 40kg/m2 at various starting altitudes and average solar cycle.

Fig. 2 shows debris as a function of each altitude. The debris generated from collision events from satellites flying at altitudes above 600km will stay in orbit for decades to come and create orbital debris risk for each altitude they pass through as they deorbit.


Fig. 2: Debris per 1-km altitude shell as a function of orbital altitude.


TRANSPARENCY AND DATA SHARING

SpaceX transparently and continuously shares the details of our Starlink network both with governments and other satellite owners/operators. We work to ensure accurate, relevant, and up-to-date information related to space safety, and space situational awareness is shared with all operators. SpaceX shares high fidelity future position and velocity prediction data (ephemerides) for all SpaceX satellites.

SpaceX shares both propagated ephemerides and covariance (statistical uncertainty of the predictions) data on Space-Track.org and encourages all other operators to do so, as this enables more meaningful and accurate computation of collision risks. SpaceX is also working to make it even easier for anyone to access our ephemerides by eliminating any requirement to login to Space-Track.org to see our data.

In addition to providing our satellite ephemerides, SpaceX volunteered to provide routine system health reports to the Federal Communications Commission ("FCC"), something no other operator has ever offered or currently does. These reports indicate the status of our constellation, including a summary of the operational status of our satellite fleet, and the number of maneuvers performed to reduce the collision probability with other objects. Fig. 3 is a sample of the number of maneuvers Starlink has done over the 6-month period from June 2021 through November 2021.


Fig. 3: Number of SpaceX maneuvers from July-Dec 2021 (total was 3300)


COLLISION AVOIDANCE SYSTEM

SpaceX has high fidelity location and prediction data for our satellites from deployment through end-of-life disposal, and we share this information continuously with the U.S. Space Force, LeoLabs and other operators for tracking and collision avoidance screening. SpaceX satellites regularly downlink accurate orbital information from onboard GPS. We use this orbital information, combined with planned maneuvers, to accurately predict future ephemerides, which are uploaded to Space-Track.org three times per day. LeoLabs downloads our ephemerides from Space-Track.org and along with the U.S. Space Force's 18th Space Control Squadron screens these trajectories against other satellites and debris to predict any potential conjunctions. Such conjunctions are communicated back to SpaceX and other satellite owners/operators as Conjunction Data Messages (CDMs), which include satellite state vectors, position uncertainties, maneuverability status, and the owner/operator information. SpaceX uploads these CDMs to applicable SpaceX satellites.

To accomplish safe space operations in a scalable way, SpaceX has developed and equipped every SpaceX satellite with an onboard, autonomous collision avoidance system that ensures it can maneuver to avoid potential collisions with other objects. If there is a greater than 1/100,000 probability of collision (10x lower than the industry standard of 1/10,000) for a conjunction, satellites will plan avoidance maneuvers. When planning a maneuver for any conjunction, the satellites take care to avoid inadvertently increasing risk for other conjunctions above the same threshold.

By default, Starlink satellites assume maneuver responsibility for all conjunction events. Upon receipt of a high-probability conjunction with another maneuverable satellite, SpaceX coordinates with the other operator. SpaceX operators are on-call 24/7 to coordinate and respond to inquiries from other operators; contact information for high-urgency requests is available to other operators via Space-Track.org. If the other operator prefers to take maneuver responsibility themselves, Starlink satellites can be commanded to not maneuver for an event.

In addition to collision avoidance maneuvers, Starlink satellites can autonomously “duck” for conjunctions, orienting their attitude to have the smallest possible cross-section (like the edge of a sheet of paper) in the direction of the potential conjunction, reducing collision probability by another 4-10x (see Fig. 4).


Fig. 4: SpaceX’s “duck” maneuver (right) minimizing area in potential collision direction (out of page) compared with worst-case orientation (left)

SpaceX’s collision avoidance system has been thoroughly reviewed by NASA’s Conjunction Assessment and Risk Analysis (CARA) program under a Space Act Agreement (SAA) with NASA, and per the SAA, NASA relies on it to avoid collisions with NASA science spacecraft.

SpaceX satellites’ flight paths are designed to avoid inhabited space stations like the International Space Station (ISS) and the Chinese Space Station Tiangong by a wide margin. We work directly with NASA and receive ISS maneuver plans to stay clear of their current and planned trajectory including burns. China does not publish planned maneuvers, but we still make every effort to avoid their station with ISS-equivalent clearance based on publicly available ephemerides.

SpaceX is proud of our sophisticated and constantly improving design, test, and operational approach to improve space sustainability and safety, which are critical towards accelerating space exploration while bringing Internet connectivity to the globe. We urge all satellite owner/operators to make similar investments in sustainability and safety and make their operations transparent. We encourage all owner/operators to generate high quality propagated ephemeris and covariance for screening by the 18th Space Control Squadron and to openly share this information with others to maximize coordination to ensure a sustainable and safe space environment for the future. Ultimately, space sustainability is a technical challenge that can be effectively managed with the appropriate assessment of risk, the exchange of information, and the proper implementation of technology and operational controls. Together we can ensure that space is available for humanity to use and explore for generations to come.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #6 on: 02/27/2022 01:12 am »
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Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?s=20&t=xg6rJbcEomvu9IC_bRV97w

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #7 on: 02/27/2022 05:59 am »
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Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?s=20&t=xg6rJbcEomvu9IC_bRV97w

This is important in the history of Starlink and world history. Russia cutting off Ukraine from the internet by severing cables at a few points was a real possibility until this action. The strategic significance of keeping Ukraine connected is immense.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #8 on: 02/28/2022 02:11 am »
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Starlink service is now active in Ukraine. More terminals en route.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1497701484003213317?s=20&t=xg6rJbcEomvu9IC_bRV97w

This is important in the history of Starlink and world history. Russia cutting off Ukraine from the internet by severing cables at a few points was a real possibility until this action. The strategic significance of keeping Ukraine connected is immense.

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1433123220643717120

I guess nobody was expecting the fist shaking at the sky that Elon mentioned to be russian...
« Last Edit: 03/05/2022 02:40 am by Asteroza »

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #9 on: 02/28/2022 04:01 pm »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

It’d be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
« Last Edit: 02/28/2022 04:05 pm by Robotbeat »
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #10 on: 02/28/2022 07:25 pm »
Starlink reached Ukraine's digital minister.
https://twitter.com/FedorovMykhailo/status/1498392515262746630

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #11 on: 02/28/2022 08:47 pm »
Wonder if the recent Ukraine Starlink terminals shipment expediters brought along a ground station as well.

That would provide satcom access to all of Ukraine, also provided the Ukrainians with a secure and highly survivable command and control communication network.

Even the basic Starlink user terminals will become Ukrainian National assets for the duration of the conflict. IMO.

Which brings up the issue of Musk and ITAR regulations. Is the Starlink terminals cover by ITAR?

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #12 on: 02/28/2022 09:07 pm »
Checking the maps based on public info there should at least be gateways in Turkey, Poland and Lithuania that together cover all of Ukraine.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #13 on: 02/28/2022 09:17 pm »
Wonder if the recent Ukraine Starlink terminals shipment expediters brought along a ground station as well.
The point is you DON'T have one in Ukraine, where it can be destroyed/infiltrated.

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Which brings up the issue of Musk and ITAR regulations. Is the Starlink terminals cover by ITAR?
The terminals are already all around the world, so probably not.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #14 on: 02/28/2022 09:19 pm »
SpaceX Starlink even more of a cyberattack target than it was before. Acid test.
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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #15 on: 02/28/2022 09:34 pm »
Wonder if the recent Ukraine Starlink terminals shipment expediters brought along a ground station as well.
The point is you DON'T have one in Ukraine, where it can be destroyed/infiltrated.

A ground station is required for Starlink to function as C3 (command, control & communication) system for the Ukrainian military. IMO.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #16 on: 02/28/2022 09:49 pm »
One of the comments after this article, which has a few more details about interactions with Musk and the Ukrainians, is from someone saying they have activated a Starlink terminal in Kyiv. 

https://spacenews.com/spacex-heeds-ukraines-starlink-sos/

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #17 on: 02/28/2022 11:41 pm »
[EDIT: This was mentioned a few posts back and I missed it, but leaving the direct link up]

For those wondering if Starlink ground stations have the range to cover Ukraine, well we know at least that there is (or was) a Starlink dish up and running in Kyiv: (this guy tested it recently)

https://twitter.com/olegkutkov/status/1498397991148916736
« Last Edit: 02/28/2022 11:42 pm by Lars-J »

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #18 on: 03/01/2022 01:35 pm »
Checking the maps based on public info there should at least be gateways in Turkey, Poland and Lithuania that together cover all of Ukraine.
I spent some time watching the representation of available ground stations and resulting coverage as estimated by the third-party site starlink.sx

While coverage appears good in the west of Ukraine and on east of Kiev, it appears completely non-existent in the eastern Donbas regions including Luhansk and Donestk.  I think Dnipro is a rough reference: west of that would be OK, east rapidly petering out.  Unless, of course, SpaceX tinkers with the angle limit imposed on satellite to ground station links.  Or, possibly that web site is misinformed as to those limits, or there is an additional ground station not known to that web site.

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Re: Starlink : General Discussion - Thread 3
« Reply #19 on: 03/01/2022 03:49 pm »
Granted, Russia has a demonstrated capability to do more than just shaking a fist at the sky.

It’d be an act of war, of course.

Discussion here: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=55928.msg2345981#msg2345981
Whoa. Russia and SpaceX going to war? We know how that would work out. After he wins, Elon would have access to unlimited natural gas.
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