All US operators are investing heavily in 5G deployment as we speak.
Quote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmStarlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.As a rural Texas resident with ridiculously expensive choices for home internet, I disagree. There are no conventional network providers at all among my choices. A local telephone coop 5mbs @$90/mo, a rural wireless broadband service offering 3mbs down-1mbs up @$80/mo, and cell phone data (which is sketchy, but what I use now).
Starlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.
Carve-over from Texas Prototype DiscussionQuote from: Texsun on 11/21/2019 06:49 pmQuote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmStarlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.As a rural Texas resident with ridiculously expensive choices for home internet, I disagree. There are no conventional network providers at all among my choices. A local telephone coop 5mbs @$90/mo, a rural wireless broadband service offering 3mbs down-1mbs up @$80/mo, and cell phone data (which is sketchy, but what I use now).Heck, I've got solid service at regular 100 MByte/s download for $65 and will jump on Starlink to kick the tires as soon as I can simply because of what it supports. But as with your situation, there are plenty of folks even in moderately populated areas here that don't have great options. My parents within 20 mins of a major city have weak DSL and 1-bar 4G. There is a lot of untapped rural market potential.
Quote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmStarlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.As a rural Texas resident with ridiculously expensive choices for home internet, I disagree. There are no conventional network providers at all among my choices. A local telephone coop 5mbs @$90/mo, a rural wireless broadband service offering 3mbs down-1mbs up @$80/mo, and cell phone data (which is sketchy, but what I use now).There will be plenty of domestic users of Starkink, supporting OCCUPY MARS with every key stroke. If nothing else, it will force the status quo to become competitive price-wise for their urban users. As well as provide new startup providers a source of service to distribute at a lower rate. It has been a long time coming, but SpaceX will level the playing field in this department and I suspect adoption will generate significant income for Starship development.
Quote from: Texsun on 11/21/2019 06:49 pmQuote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmStarlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.As a rural Texas resident with ridiculously expensive choices for home internet, I disagree. There are no conventional network providers at all among my choices. A local telephone coop 5mbs @$90/mo, a rural wireless broadband service offering 3mbs down-1mbs up @$80/mo, and cell phone data (which is sketchy, but what I use now).There will be plenty of domestic users of Starkink, supporting OCCUPY MARS with every key stroke. If nothing else, it will force the status quo to become competitive price-wise for their urban users. As well as provide new startup providers a source of service to distribute at a lower rate. It has been a long time coming, but SpaceX will level the playing field in this department and I suspect adoption will generate significant income for Starship development.When I read the inner quote, I said to myself, "South Texas must be a developing area." Some of my customers can't even get cell coverage and must depend on satellite service. It stinks and I, for one, am eagerly waiting until I can buy (and recommend) Starlink service. Perhaps as early as next year. I am quite positive there are other rural areas across the USA and other places that just don't have much in the way of options.
Now that SpaceX has discovered that the United States can be fully covered by Starlink before equatorial regions, they plan to focus on covering the US as soon as possible. My question is what happens when they subsequently cover the equatorial regions, won't that mean superfluous coverage of the United States?
[1]Now that SpaceX has discovered that the United States can be fully covered by Starlink before equatorial regions, [2]they plan to focus on covering the US as soon as possible. [3]My question is what happens when they subsequently cover the equatorial regions, [4]won't that mean superfluous coverage of the United States?
Since SpaceX doesn't have any launch sites near the Equator, and their current sites are in the US, I am not sure if they have any good options
Quote from: Texsun on 11/21/2019 04:45 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 11/21/2019 04:40 pmThese things matter. There are hard costs and limited funds. People shouldn't forget that.Regarding financing for Starship, one word... StarlinkIf that progresses as planned, SpaceX will not have issues with financing going forward and optics will be less of an issue.Starlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.
Quote from: Johnnyhinbos on 11/21/2019 04:40 pmThese things matter. There are hard costs and limited funds. People shouldn't forget that.Regarding financing for Starship, one word... StarlinkIf that progresses as planned, SpaceX will not have issues with financing going forward and optics will be less of an issue.
These things matter. There are hard costs and limited funds. People shouldn't forget that.
Quote from: Danderman on 11/21/2019 11:37 pm[1]Now that SpaceX has discovered that the United States can be fully covered by Starlink before equatorial regions, [2]they plan to focus on covering the US as soon as possible. [3]My question is what happens when they subsequently cover the equatorial regions, [4]won't that mean superfluous coverage of the United States?1 - The premise of this framing is not in evidence.3 - As I read the filings, there is nothing that amounts to "subsequent coverage"4 - No. The capacity for the high-density market latitudes will satisfy equatorial regions for the foreseeable future.Quote from: Danderman on 11/21/2019 11:53 pmSince SpaceX doesn't have any launch sites near the Equator, and their current sites are in the US, I am not sure if they have any good options I don't think they need any. Not seeing any inclinations below 30 degrees. I could be missing something.
Assuming an architecture where the US is continuously covered with equally spaced satellites, both within each plane, and between planes, the equatorial regions will not have continuous coverage.
Quote from: Danderman on 11/22/2019 12:51 amAssuming an architecture where the US is continuously covered with equally spaced satellites, both within each plane, and between planes, the equatorial regions will not have continuous coverage.I don't think this is true. Why do you think this?
Quote from: AC in NC on 11/22/2019 01:03 amQuote from: Danderman on 11/22/2019 12:51 amAssuming an architecture where the US is continuously covered with equally spaced satellites, both within each plane, and between planes, the equatorial regions will not have continuous coverage.I don't think this is true. Why do you think this?Maybe because if there were any gaps between the ground tracks of the satellites, service would be interrupted.
Quote from: sferrin on 11/21/2019 06:18 pmQuote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmQuote from: Texsun on 11/21/2019 04:45 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 11/21/2019 04:40 pmThese things matter. There are hard costs and limited funds. People shouldn't forget that.Regarding financing for Starship, one word... StarlinkIf that progresses as planned, SpaceX will not have issues with financing going forward and optics will be less of an issue.Starlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.5G has a giant black eye (in the US anyway) due to the China/Huawei fiasco.Exactly the opposite. U.S. carriers aren't using Huawei 5G.
Quote from: Nibb31 on 11/21/2019 06:04 pmQuote from: Texsun on 11/21/2019 04:45 pmQuote from: Johnnyhinbos on 11/21/2019 04:40 pmThese things matter. There are hard costs and limited funds. People shouldn't forget that.Regarding financing for Starship, one word... StarlinkIf that progresses as planned, SpaceX will not have issues with financing going forward and optics will be less of an issue.Starlink (and other constellations) will have to fight against 5G and well-established conventional network providers with deep pockets and strong political support. They are not going to go down without a fight. LEO constellations have an edge when it comes to niche markets like airline and naval broadband and developing countries, but that's not where the Mars colony kind of money is.5G has a giant black eye (in the US anyway) due to the China/Huawei fiasco.
Coverage gaps re: Starlink SpaceX 20 planes with 20 satellites continuous coverage between 28-60 ° latitude,altitude 550 km, inclination 53°.