Author Topic: Rokot/Briz-KM - 3xRodnik - Plesetsk - Sept. 23, 2015 (22:00 UTC) (Read 26936 times)

input~2 · « **on:** 09/21/2015 10:03 am »

Could these NOTAMs be for Kanopus-ST launch? Potential launch on September 23 from 2145UTC

G3432/15 - TEMPO DANGER AREA ACT WI CIRCLE RADIUS 50 KM CENTRE 74.24N 053.07E. SFC - UNL, DAILY 2145-2245, 23 SEP 21:45 2015 UNTIL 24 SEP 22:45 2015. CREATED: 19 SEP 07:01 2015

G3433/15 - DANGER AREA ACT: ULD2. SFC - UNL, DAILY 2145-2245, 23 SEP 21:45 2015 UNTIL 24 SEP 22:45 2015. CREATED: 19 SEP 06:53 2015

ostangen · « **Reply #1 on:** 09/21/2015 10:22 am »

These NOTAM are identical to the one we observe when ROKOT/BRIZ launch GONETS/RODNIK satellittes

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34680.0;all

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #2 on:** 09/21/2015 10:29 am »

Quote from: ostangen on 09/21/2015 10:22 am

These NOTAM are identical to the one we observe when ROKOT/BRIZ launch GONETS/RODNIK satellittes

http://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=34680.0;all

There was an unnamed ISS Reshetnev military satellite waiting for launch in late September too - that would fit since the K-2491/2499/2504 series was supposed to be their creation.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #3 on:** 09/21/2015 01:00 pm »

LOL, the Russian MoD just issued a notice to the media about opportunities to visit Plesetsk for a Rokot launch on Sept. 24 local time! So that's the issue settled.

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #4 on:** 09/21/2015 02:41 pm »

http://ria.ru/space/20150921/1270223224.html

Rokot with Rodnik.

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #5 on:** 09/23/2015 07:14 pm »

Little bump for this launch, which should happen very soon !

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #6 on:** 09/23/2015 08:53 pm »

OK, so Three Rodnik birds and one "Kosmos"? Everything I've read only mentions three Rodniks. Someone ease Chris' confusion!

Phillip Clark · « **Reply #7 on:** 09/23/2015 08:54 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/23/2015 08:53 pm

OK, so Three Rodnik birds and one "Kosmos"? Everything I've read only mentions three Rodniks. Someone ease Chris' confusion!

Confusion is what makes life fun, Chris!

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #8 on:** 09/23/2015 08:57 pm »

Quote from: Phillip Clark on 09/23/2015 08:54 pm

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/23/2015 08:53 pm
OK, so Three Rodnik birds and one "Kosmos"? Everything I've read only mentions three Rodniks. Someone ease Chris' confusion!

Confusion is what makes life fun, Chris!

That's great, but does absolutely nothing to help me with the article.

Satori · « **Reply #9 on:** 09/23/2015 08:59 pm »

Quote from: Chris Bergin on 09/23/2015 08:53 pm

OK, so Three Rodnik birds and one "Kosmos"? Everything I've read only mentions three Rodniks. Someone ease Chris' confusion!

Previous launches with Rodniks had a fourth mysterious satellite on board. It is possible (possible!!!) that this launch will also have a similar mysteriou satellites or the DOSAAF-85, a small satellite to test advanced technologies.

We have to wait and see.

Skyrocket · « **Reply #10 on:** 09/23/2015 08:59 pm »

I had heared one report, that DOSAAF-85 might be on board, but could not verify this.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #11 on:** 09/23/2015 09:05 pm »

Thanks guys!

Satori · « **Reply #12 on:** 09/23/2015 09:58 pm »

Lets keep an eye on the news. Launch should be taking place around this time.

Satori · « **Reply #13 on:** 09/23/2015 10:05 pm »

Quote from: Satori on 09/23/2015 09:58 pm

Lets keep an eye on the news. Launch should be taking place around this time.

And we have a launch... http://tass.ru/kosmos/2286369 (in Russian).

Launch time: 2200UTC.

Chris Bergin · « **Reply #14 on:** 09/23/2015 10:09 pm »

Cool! Not a lot to go on, but an article:
http://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2015/09/russias-rokot-launches-three-rodnik/

And hopefully some actual photos of this launch to come

Satori · « **Reply #15 on:** 09/23/2015 10:09 pm »

And also launch confirmation from RIA Novosti, http://ria.ru/space/20150924/1277842436.html (in Russian).

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #16 on:** 09/24/2015 03:18 am »

Hmm, no one cared about launch success?

http://kommersant.ru/doc/2816863

TV News report: http://tvzvezda.ru/news/vstrane_i_mire/content/201509240110-3ftw.htm

And 4 objects currently found by NORAD:

40920/2015-050A - 1503 x 1509 km x 82.5°
40921/2015-050B - 1495 x 1508 km x 82.5°
40922/2015-050C - 1496 x 1507 km x 82.5°
40923/2015-050D - 1178 x 1504 km x 82.5°

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #17 on:** 09/24/2015 04:32 am »

satwatcher · « **Reply #18 on:** 09/24/2015 06:42 am »

So far no new radio transmissions at the same frequency (2280MHz) as COSMOS-2491/2499/2504 have been picked up. So it may well be that the 4th payload is different.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #19 on:** 09/24/2015 07:40 am »

Quote from: satwatcher on 09/24/2015 06:42 am

So far no new radio transmissions at the same frequency (2280MHz) as COSMOS-2491/2499/2504 have been picked up. So it may well be that the 4th payload is different.

....or maybe this time there are just 3 satellites? I might have made a wrong interpretation since I forgot that the Gonets-M/Rodnik line were also from ISS Reshetnev. $:-\$

input~2 · « **Reply #20 on:** 09/24/2015 08:27 am »

I propose we wait a little more to see if a 5th Object is catalogued by USSTRATCOM before concluding on the number of S/C onboard this launch.
For the time being we have 3 Rodniks (Object A, B and C) and Briz-KM (Object D)
In the 3 previous cases, Object E took longer to be catalogued...

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #21 on:** 09/24/2015 11:31 am »

According to anik the exact liftoff time was at 21:59:38 UTC.

Stan Black · « **Reply #22 on:** 09/24/2015 05:23 pm »

Anik is showing Briz-KM №72512. It was originally to carry 14Ф31 Geo-IK-2 №11 Kosmos-2470 but was swapped before that launch?

Skyrocket · « **Reply #23 on:** 09/24/2015 08:24 pm »

Quote from: Stan Black on 09/24/2015 05:23 pm

Anik is showing Briz-KM №72512. It was originally to carry 14Ф31 Geo-IK-2 №11 Kosmos-2470 but was swapped before that launch?

Interestingly, it apparently also used the different payload fairing type, which was only used for the Geo-IK-2 before.

Nicolas PILLET · « **Reply #24 on:** 09/24/2015 08:45 pm »

Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/24/2015 08:24 pm

Interestingly, it apparently also used the different payload fairing type, which was only used for the Geo-IK-2 before.

Really ? I've compared with pictures from past launches, they all look the same to me...

Skyrocket · « **Reply #25 on:** 09/24/2015 10:58 pm »

Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 09/24/2015 08:45 pm

Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/24/2015 08:24 pm
Interestingly, it apparently also used the different payload fairing type, which was only used for the Geo-IK-2 before.

Really ? I've compared with pictures from past launches, they all look the same to me...

See following attached images. The Geo-IK2 launch has a different shape. Yesterdays launch appears to have the same shape.

russianhalo117 · « **Reply #26 on:** 09/24/2015 11:22 pm »

Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/24/2015 10:58 pm

Quote from: Nicolas PILLET on 09/24/2015 08:45 pm
Quote from: Skyrocket on 09/24/2015 08:24 pm
Interestingly, it apparently also used the different payload fairing type, which was only used for the Geo-IK-2 before.

Really ? I've compared with pictures from past launches, they all look the same to me...

See following attached images. The Geo-IK2 launch has a different shape. Yesterdays launch appears to have the same shape.

it appears to match design of the Angara A1.1 variant and was designed to be more lightweight and eventually replace Rockot fairing.

satwatcher · « **Reply #27 on:** 09/25/2015 09:10 am »

The first set of JSpOC elements for the CZ-11 launch have been published. The first object has ID 40925. At present 4 objects are assigned to the Rokot launch with IDs 40920, 40921, 40922, 40923. This leaves ID 40924 unassigned, suggesting JSpOC expects a 5th object from the Rokot launch.

anik · « **Reply #28 on:** 09/25/2015 10:18 am »

There is nothing to expect.

zubenelgenubi · « **Reply #29 on:** 09/27/2015 08:07 pm »

Quote from: input~2 on 09/24/2015 08:27 am

I propose we wait a little more to see if a 5th Object is catalogued by USSTRATCOM before concluding on the number of S/C onboard this launch.
For the time being we have 3 Rodniks (Object A, B and C) and Briz-KM (Object D)
In the 3 previous cases, Object E took longer to be catalogued...

Quote from: satwatcher on 09/25/2015 09:10 am

The first set of JSpOC elements for the CZ-11 launch have been published. The first object has ID 40925. At present 4 objects are assigned to the Rokot launch with IDs 40920, 40921, 40922, 40923. This leaves ID 40924 unassigned, suggesting JSpOC expects a 5th object from the Rokot launch.

Quote from: anik on 09/25/2015 10:18 am

There is nothing to expect.

Does the absence of evidence (there has been no announcement of detection of a 5th object from this launch) mean evidence of absence (there is no 5th object/4th satellite)?

Further thinking aloud:
If there is no Kosmos 2491/2499/2504-type satellite aboard this launch, and DOSAAF-85 was not launched, then did they just use ballast?

Or could a 4th satellite have been launched, but failed and remained attached, inert, to the Briz upper stage?

Zubenelgenubi

Phillip Clark · « **Reply #30 on:** 09/28/2015 04:40 am »

Quote from: satwatcher on 09/25/2015 09:10 am

The first set of JSpOC elements for the CZ-11 launch have been published. The first object has ID 40925. At present 4 objects are assigned to the Rokot launch with IDs 40920, 40921, 40922, 40923. This leaves ID 40924 unassigned, suggesting JSpOC expects a 5th object from the Rokot launch.

In the past gaps have been left in the numbering system when objects are expected to be catalogued but there is no promise that such objects exist.