Author Topic: Alternative Capabilities to send Cargo to ISS while Baikonur Site 31/6 is down  (Read 16297 times)

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While there is a hiatus in Progress and Soyuz launches, be it 4 months, a year, or the remaining life of the ISS, NASA and its “western” partners can maintain the ISS themselves, using what they have, which is mostly from SpaceX.

No NASA logoed Progress on Chinese launchers  :o
No Rube Goldberg
No Lego Rockets
No fantasy hardware needed
Using purely existing or equipment in development before 1 November 2025 the long-term crew for the ISS would be reduced to 4 when the newest Soyuz has to return.

Avoiding that situation was the primary reason I suggested perhaps investigating what it would take to modify a Dragon to dock on the Russian side.

Using certain docking ports on the Russian side would also make the idea of trying to use a Dragon to control the roll slightly less difficult.
Are the Russian ports APAS-95?  If so, NASA has an existing design for the IDA, which can be attached to an APAS-95 port to turn it into an IDS port. The two US IDSS docks use IDAs. There are a number of major issues to resolve to actually use this approach, so it is probably infeasible.
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/docking.html
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Are the Russian ports APAS-95?  If so, NASA has an existing design for the IDA, which can be attached to an APAS-95 port to turn it into an IDS port. The two US IDSS docks use IDAs. There are a number of major issues to resolve to actually use this approach, so it is probably infeasible.
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/docking.html
Thanks for that excellent link. However, that page is quite dense, and I cannot figure out from it exactly how the four current VV docks on the Russian segment are configured. It appears that they are NOT APAS-95, but what are they? If you understand this stuff as I do not, and if you have time, please provide a simplified explanation. Thanks!

The page also mentions that some ports are or were reconfigurable, so if that can be done using resources that are already available aboard ISS, then we have even more confusing options. My guess: the work needed to dock a Dragon to a Russian port cannot be done in time to make a difference, no matter what approach is taken.

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Are the Russian ports APAS-95?  If so, NASA has an existing design for the IDA, which can be attached to an APAS-95 port to turn it into an IDS port. The two US IDSS docks use IDAs. There are a number of major issues to resolve to actually use this approach, so it is probably infeasible.
https://www.russianspaceweb.com/docking.html
Thanks for that excellent link. However, that page is quite dense, and I cannot figure out from it exactly how the four current VV docks on the Russian segment are configured. It appears that they are NOT APAS-95, but what are they?

Probe and drogue.

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“should”

We are speaking of ISS deorbit. The plan is to make (approximately) half of the deorbit burn with RS, and the other half with the SpaceX deorbit vehicle.
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“should”

We are speaking of ISS deorbit. The plan is to make (approximately) half of the deorbit burn with RS, and the other half with the SpaceX deorbit vehicle.

That is actually off topic
The thread title includes “while Baikonur site 31/6 is down”
Until the site gets repaired, in the absence of an alternative launch site for Progress, the Russians are not able to do “half the deorbit burn”.
If that persists, which is unlikely but possible, NASA can either send extra Dragon Boost Packs, or just let the orbit decay before the Deorbit Vehicle brings it down.


What has been generally agreed upon is that aside from roll CMG desaturation, Dragon and Cygnus and HTV-X, docked and berthed to the USOS side, can provide all the support the ISS needs through its deorbit.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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It looks like it will be repaired in February, so only one progress less and no difference for Soyuz plan. July 2026.

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There are only 2 more CRS2 cargo Dragons on contract (CRS-34 & -35) which have reportedly been accelerated to May and August. Ahead of CRS-33, it was stated that CRS-33 was the only planned boost trunk. In addition, 1 of the 2 missions is supposed to carry the final set of iROSA arrays which I believe is on CRS-34. Given that, I don't think there will be another boost trunk in the near term. I'd say its more likely that Cygnus fulfills this need in the near-term and I think Starliner-1 would likely demo it as well since it was a planned capability.

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There are only 2 more CRS2 cargo Dragons on contract (CRS-34 & -35) which have reportedly been accelerated to May and August. Ahead of CRS-33, it was stated that CRS-33 was the only planned boost trunk. In addition, 1 of the 2 missions is supposed to carry the final set of iROSA arrays which I believe is on CRS-34. Given that, I don't think there will be another boost trunk in the near term. I'd say its more likely that Cygnus fulfills this need in the near-term and I think Starliner-1 would likely demo it as well since it was a planned capability.
How much boost can Starliner provide? While docked to Harmony Forward it's in the right place, and its thrusters are pointing in the right direction. Total available fuel is a question. The other question is sustained thruster endurance. CRS-33 just completed a 19-minute boost. Can Starliner thruster sustain a long boost? we know there were thermal issues on CFT and we know NASA and Boeing have made modifications, so this may be a really good way to test the results.

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There are only 2 more CRS2 cargo Dragons on contract (CRS-34 & -35) which have reportedly been accelerated to May and August. Ahead of CRS-33, it was stated that CRS-33 was the only planned boost trunk. In addition, 1 of the 2 missions is supposed to carry the final set of iROSA arrays which I believe is on CRS-34. Given that, I don't think there will be another boost trunk in the near term. I'd say its more likely that Cygnus fulfills this need in the near-term and I think Starliner-1 would likely demo it as well since it was a planned capability.
How much boost can Starliner provide? While docked to Harmony Forward it's in the right place, and its thrusters are pointing in the right direction. Total available fuel is a question. The other question is sustained thruster endurance. CRS-33 just completed a 19-minute boost. Can Starliner thruster sustain a long boost? we know there were thermal issues on CFT and we know NASA and Boeing have made modifications, so this may be a really good way to test the results.
I can’t find my own post but if a Starliner could and did use its abort motors with the ISS turned around (USOS trailing) it could provide ~2 months of reboosting.
The Dragon Boost Kit can provide ~3 months.
This post may have those calculations.

PS The “thermal issues” were with the ACS thrusters in the “doghouses” external to the body of the Service Module.  The OMAC abort engines are not there.  They are in the body of the Service Module.
What kind of wastrels would dump a perfectly good booster in the ocean after just one use?

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There are only 2 more CRS2 cargo Dragons on contract (CRS-34 & -35) which have reportedly been accelerated to May and August. Ahead of CRS-33, it was stated that CRS-33 was the only planned boost trunk. In addition, 1 of the 2 missions is supposed to carry the final set of iROSA arrays which I believe is on CRS-34. Given that, I don't think there will be another boost trunk in the near term. I'd say its more likely that Cygnus fulfills this need in the near-term and I think Starliner-1 would likely demo it as well since it was a planned capability.

I would not be surprised if, before CRS-34, NASA announces some more Cygnus and Cargo Dragon CRS-2 missions, with potentially one or more of the new Dragon missions including Thrust Trunks.

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