Author Topic: The Chinese NOTAMs thread (Read 311445 times)

Satori · « **on:** 12/13/2022 12:41 pm »

I would like to know your opinion about the creation of a specific thread for posting the NOTAMs related with Chinese launches or other space activities.

The posting of messages with all those coordinates sometimes are just annoying for someone looking for information about the payload.

The NOTAMs would be posted in this thread and the message about it referred in the respective mission thread.

Please, give your opinion?

ulm_atms · « **Reply #1 on:** 12/13/2022 01:07 pm »

I had always been of the idea to have a worldwide NOTAM thread for all launches world wide and then just link to that NOTAM thread/message in the correct mission update thread. It would clean up the update threads considerably...especially multiple scrub situations with a ton of cancel/replace NOTAMS.

Kryten · « **Reply #2 on:** 12/13/2022 01:09 pm »

It would clear things up when it's uncertain what mission the notams are connected to - just think how many times recently we've seen notams that were definitely CZ-6A, or ZQ-2 or KZ-11 and turned out not be.

C0W0 · « **Reply #3 on:** 12/13/2022 11:11 pm »

I have made a script to get Chinese NOTAMs. Let me know if I should upload it somewhere.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #4 on:** 12/14/2022 02:06 am »

Quote from: C0W0 on 12/13/2022 11:11 pm

I have made a script to get Chinese NOTAMs. Let me know if I should upload it somewhere.

Maybe just upload it to this thread?

Satori · « **Reply #5 on:** 12/15/2022 02:48 pm »

So, this will be a sticky topic and all the major NOTAMs related with the Chinese launches or space activities should be posted here and the post should referred on the appropriate thread.

The NOTAMs posted on the threads will be deleted.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #6 on:** 12/23/2022 03:49 am »

A3384/22 NOTAMN Q) VVHN/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/1847N10721E032 A) VVHN B) 2212290630 C) 2212311230 D) 29-31 0630-1230 E) DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY FM CHINA, THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE ACFT IN THE FLW AREA MAY BE AFFECTED: 181753N1073134E - 182320N1065758E - 191648N1070723E - 191609N1071128E - 191604N1071123E - 183301N1073415E SIX-POINT CONNECTION RANGE. VERTICAL ALTITUDE: GND-UNL. DRG THIS ACTIVITY, ATS ROUTES/SEGMENTS MENTIONED BELOW SHALL BE OPERATED AS FLW: - Q10 (VIDAD - LOCHA) APPLIED FOR THE FLTS FM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH: ACFT DEP AT VAN DON AND CAT BI INTL AP SUBMIT FPL VIA ATS ROUTE AS FLW: LOCHA DCT MAREL DCT BUVAN DCT NIVEN DCT HAMIN Q1 - Q1 (XONUS - VIDAD) APPLIED FOR THE FLTS FM THE NORTH TO THE SOUTH: THE FLTS SUBMIT FPL VIA ATS ROUTE AS FLW: NAH Q1 MAREL DCT BUVAN DCT NIVEN DCT HAMIN Q1 - A202 (XONUS - ASSAD) AND A206 (BUVAN - ASSAD): DO NOT USE. RMKS: - ALL ACFT SHALL AVOID THIS AREA OR SUBJ TO ATC CLEARANCES. - THE AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY CONDUCTED BY CHINA DIRECTLY AFFECTS FLIGHT OPERATIONS WI HA NOI FIR. - THIS NOTAM IS ISSUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO REQUIREMENTS FOR THE SAFETY OF ACFT OPERATIONS WI HA NOI FIR.

mikezang · « **Reply #7 on:** 12/25/2022 06:27 am »

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A3434/22 NOTAMN
Q) VVHN/QAFXX/IV/NBO/E/000/999/1847N10716E032
A) VVHN B) 2212270701 C) 2212270841
E) DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY FM CHINA, THE FLIGHT
SAFETY OF THE ACFT IN THE FLW AREA MAY BE AFFECTED:
191600N1070700E - 191519N1071147E - 183214N1073440E -
181800N1073200E - 182400N1065700E
FIVE-POINT CONNECTION RANGE.
VERTICAL ALTITUDE: SFC-UNL.
DRG THIS ACTIVITY, ATS ROUTES/SEGMENTS MENTIONED BELOW
SHALL BE OPERATED AS FLW:
- Q10 (VIDAD - LOCHA) APPLIED FOR THE FLTS FM THE NORTH TO
THE SOUTH: ACFT DEP AT VAN DON AND CAT BI INTL AP SUBMIT FPL
VIA ATS ROUTE AS FLW: LOCHA DCT MAREL DCT BUVAN DCT NIVEN
DCT HAMIN Q1
- Q1 (XONUS - VIDAD) APPLIED FOR THE FLTS FM THE NORTH TO
THE SOUTH: THE FLTS SUBMIT FPL VIA ATS ROUTE AS FLW: NAH Q1
MAREL DCT BUVAN DCT NIVEN DCT HAMIN Q1
- A202 (XONUS - ASSAD) AND A206 (BUVAN - ASSAD): DO NOT USE.
RMKS:
- ALL ACFT SHALL AVOID THIS AREA OR SUBJ TO ATC CLEARANCES.
- THE AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITY CONDUCTED BY CHINA DIRECTLY
AFFECTS FLIGHT OPERATIONS WI HA NOI FIR. THE CHINA PARTY IS
REQUIRED TO COORDINATE WITH THE COMPETENT AUTHORITIES OF
VIETNAM IN LINE WITH THE PROCEDURES SET OUT IN ANNEX 11 AND
AGREED PROCEDURES OF THE REGION.
- THIS NOTAM IS ISSUED IN ACCORDANCE WITH ICAO REQUIREMENTS
FOR THE SAFETY OF ACFT OPERATIONS WI HA NOI FIR.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #8 on:** 12/28/2022 07:56 am »

B4267/22 NOTAMN Q) RPHI/QRALW/IV/NBO/W /000/999/1115N11646E037 A) RPHI B) 2212290433 C) 2212290510 E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL TAKE PLACE WI: 110600N 1172100E - 115000N 1164800E - 112400N 1161100E - 103900N 1164500E - 110600N 1172100E. F) SFC G) UNL

Also marine navigation warning:
NAVAREA XI NO.22-0473 Date:2022/12/27 13 UTC SOUTH CHINA SEA, NORTHERN PART. ROCKET LAUNCHING. 290400Z TO 291100Z DEC. AREAS BOUNDED BY A. 15-38N 112-53E 16-05N 113-28E 15-27N 113-59E 15-00N 113-24E. B. 11-23N 116-12E 11-49N 116-47E 11-06N 117-20E 10-39N 116-45E. CANCEL THIS MSG 291200Z DEC.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #9 on:** 12/28/2022 01:22 pm »

Add one more:

A3514/22 NOTAMN Q) ZJSA/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/1533N11326E033 A) ZJSA B) 2212290433 C) 2212290508 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N1527E11400-N1606E11329-N1539E11253-N1500E11324 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. F) SFC G) UNL

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #10 on:** 12/28/2022 02:14 pm »

BTW as reference, you can try to visualize the closed air/marine space by these steps:

1. Open Google Earth and draw any polygon(s). Save each of them by right click on the "Temporary Places" list's entry for them and then choose "Save Place As...". Choose ".kml".

2. Find the saved KML file, open with Notepad. There should be a coordinates row where the numbers are in the form a1,b1,c1 a2,b2,c2 ...
ax, by and cz are the longitude, latitude and altitude (ignore) of the vertices.

3. Now input the NOTAMs/notices' coordinates. They are in the degrees-minutes-seconds format so change them to decimal degrees at here.

4. Open the KML files using Google Earth. You'll see the zones pop up in the right places.

C0W0 · « **Reply #11 on:** 12/28/2022 11:07 pm »

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 12/14/2022 02:06 am

Quote from: C0W0 on 12/13/2022 11:11 pm
I have made a script to get Chinese NOTAMs. Let me know if I should upload it somewhere.

Maybe just upload it to this thread?

Well, here's the script to get the notams automatically. You need python and the mechanize package to run it. I don't quite remember what other packages I used, so let me know if any other dependencies are missing.

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #12 on:** 01/04/2023 05:18 pm »

For LM-7A/Shijian 23:

A0026/23 NOTAMR A0023/23 Q) KZAK/QWMLW////000/999/ A) KZAK B) 2301082100 C) 2301120300 D) DLY 2100-0300 E) THE CHINA NATIONAL SPACE ADMINISTRATION HAS PLANNED A ROCKET LAUNCH. DEBRIS FM THIS LAUNCH WILL FALL WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 1648N14210E TO 1601N14201E TO 1629N13920E TO 1717N13929E TO POINT OF ORIGIN. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY ALL NON-PARTICIPATING AIR TFC ARE ADZD TO AVOID THE NOTAMED AREA. IFR ACFT UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLR AROUND THE NOTAMED AREA. F) SFC G) UNL

B0114/23 NOTAMN Q) RPHI/QRALW/IV/NBO/W /000/999/1921N11921E046 A) RPHI B) 2301082100 C) 2301110300 D) 2100-0300 E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL TAKE PLACE WI: 190000N 1200200E - 193700N 1200500E - 194200N 1183900E - 190400N 1183700E - 190000N 1200200E (AREA 1). F) SFC G) UNL

B0115/23 NOTAMN Q) RPHI/QRALW/IV/NBO/W /000/999/1905N12308E046 A) RPHI B) 2301082100 C) 2301130300 D) 2100-0300 E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL TAKE PLACE WI: 184300N 1225100E - 191700N 1235400E - 192400N 1222600E - 185200N 1222300E - 184300N 1225100E (AREA 2). F) SFC G) UNL

mikezang · « **Reply #13 on:** 01/05/2023 02:37 am »

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F0016/23 NOTAMN
Q) YMMM/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/0714S08927E200
A) YMMM
B) 2301090455 C) 2301090550
E) CHINESE AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE
FLW RECEIVED FROM CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION OF CHINA:
DUE TO AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITIES AND UNBURNED DEBRIS EXPECTED TO
FALL, THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE AIRCRAFT IN THE FOLLOWING AREA MAY BE
AFFECTED:
S05 59 00 E 090 06 00
S08 38 00 E 089 33 00
S08 29 00 E 088 49 00
S05 50 00 E 089 23 00
F) SFC G) UNL

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #14 on:** 01/05/2023 12:21 pm »

Quote from: Galactic Penguin SST on 01/04/2023 05:18 pm

For LM-7A/Shijian 23:

A0026/23 NOTAMR A0023/23 Q) KZAK/QWMLW////000/999/ A) KZAK B) 2301082100 C) 2301120300 D) DLY 2100-0300 E) THE CHINA NATIONAL SPACE ADMINISTRATION HAS PLANNED A ROCKET LAUNCH. DEBRIS FM THIS LAUNCH WILL FALL WI AN AREA DEFINED AS 1648N14210E TO 1601N14201E TO 1629N13920E TO 1717N13929E TO POINT OF ORIGIN. IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY ALL NON-PARTICIPATING AIR TFC ARE ADZD TO AVOID THE NOTAMED AREA. IFR ACFT UNDER ATC JURISDICTION SHOULD ANTICIPATE CLR AROUND THE NOTAMED AREA. F) SFC G) UNL

B0114/23 NOTAMN Q) RPHI/QRALW/IV/NBO/W /000/999/1921N11921E046 A) RPHI B) 2301082100 C) 2301110300 D) 2100-0300 E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL TAKE PLACE WI: 190000N 1200200E - 193700N 1200500E - 194200N 1183900E - 190400N 1183700E - 190000N 1200200E (AREA 1). F) SFC G) UNL

B0115/23 NOTAMN Q) RPHI/QRALW/IV/NBO/W /000/999/1905N12308E046 A) RPHI B) 2301082100 C) 2301130300 D) 2100-0300 E) SPECIAL OPS (AEROSPACE FLT ACT) WILL TAKE PLACE WI: 184300N 1225100E - 191700N 1235400E - 192400N 1222600E - 185200N 1222300E - 184300N 1225100E (AREA 2). F) SFC G) UNL

A0023/23 NOTAMN Q) ZJSA/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/1937N11057E006 A) ZJSA B) 2301082150 C) 2301090115 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N1937E11057 WITH RADIUS OF 10KM. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. F) SFC G) UNL

Liss · « **Reply #15 on:** 01/05/2023 09:41 pm »

A0028/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3915N10721E014
A) ZLHW B) 2301130652 C) 2301130740
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N3917E10739-N3906E10734-N3914E10704-N3925E10709 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 05 Jan 2023 13:24:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A0030/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3834N10931E023
A) ZLHW B) 2301130652 C) 2301130747
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N3835E11000-N3819E10953-N3834E10904-N3850E10911 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 05 Jan 2023 13:26:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

Satori · « **Reply #16 on:** 01/07/2023 08:10 am »

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A0041/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2815N10201E006
A) ZPKM B) 2301131800 C) 2301131850
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N2815E10202
WITH RADIUS OF 10KM. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

A0042/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2733N10725E010
A) ZPKM B) 2301131802 C) 2301131853
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N2727E10734-N2729E10715-N2740E10717-N2737E10736 BACK TO START.
VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

A0043/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZGZU/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2651N11103E022
A) ZGZU B) 2301131803 C) 2301131854
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N2639E11123-N2647E11040-N2705E11044-N2657E11127 BACK TO START.
VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

Liss · « **Reply #17 on:** 01/07/2023 08:24 am »

Add the first Taiyuan launch of the year:

A0044/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZBPE/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3852N11135E011
A) ZBPE B) 2301150304 C) 2301150339
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N3852E11135 WITH RADIUS OF 20KM. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Jan 2023 08:13:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A0045/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZLHW/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3316N10948E013
A) ZLHW B) 2301150306 C) 2301150344
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N3304E10952-N3306E10938-N3328E10945-N3326E10958 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Jan 2023 08:14:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

A0046/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZXXX/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/3123N10916E022
A) ZHWH ZPKM B) 2301150306 C) 2301150350
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N3102E10922-N3107E10859-N3145E10910-N3140E10932 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS: SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL
CREATED: 07 Jan 2023 08:14:00
SOURCE: ZBBBYNYX

Galactic Penguin SST · « **Reply #18 on:** 01/10/2023 08:16 am »

Quote from: Satori on 01/07/2023 08:10 am

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A0041/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2815N10201E006
A) ZPKM B) 2301131800 C) 2301131850
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N2815E10202
WITH RADIUS OF 10KM. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

A0042/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2733N10725E010
A) ZPKM B) 2301131802 C) 2301131853
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N2727E10734-N2729E10715-N2740E10717-N2737E10736 BACK TO START.
VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

A0043/23 NOTAMN
Q) ZGZU/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2651N11103E022
A) ZGZU B) 2301131803 C) 2301131854
E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY:
N2639E11123-N2647E11040-N2705E11044-N2657E11127 BACK TO START.
VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL.
F) SFC G) UNL

Looks like this Xichang launch has been moved up by one day…

A0074/23 NOTAMN Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2815N10202E006 A) ZPKM B) 2301121800 C) 2301121850 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED CENTERED AT N2815E10202 WITH RADIUS OF 10KM. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. F) SFC G) UNL A0076/23 NOTAMN Q) ZPKM/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2733N10726E010 A) ZPKM B) 2301121802 C) 2301121853 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N2727E10734-N2729E10715-N2740E10717-N2737E10736 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. F) SFC G) UNL A0078/23 NOTAMN Q) ZGZU/QRDCA/IV/BO/W/000/999/2652N11103E022 A) ZGZU B) 2301121803 C) 2301121854 E) A TEMPORARY DANGER AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N2639E11123-N2647E11040-N2705E11044-N2657E11127 BACK TO START. VERTICAL LIMITS:SFC-UNL. F) SFC G) UNL

mikezang · « **Reply #19 on:** 02/02/2023 01:10 pm »

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F0320/23 NOTAMN
Q) YMMM/QWMLW/IV/BO/W/000/999/3119S08359E100
A) YMMM
B) 2303151100 C) 2303181500
D) DAILY 1100/1500
E) CHINESE AEROSPACE FLIGHT ACTIVITIES WILL TAKE PLACE
FLW RECEIVED FROM CIVIL AVIATION ADMINISTRATION OF CHINA:
DUE TO UNBURNED DEBRIS EXPECTED TO FALL, THE FLIGHT SAFETY OF THE
AIRCRAFT IN THE FOLLOWING AREA MAY BE AFFECTED:
S32 41 00 E 083 15 00
S30 03 00 E 083 56 00
S30 12 00 E 084 45 00
S32 51 00 E 084 05 00
F) SFC G) UNL