Quote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 05:24 pmQuote from: Stormbringer on 04/24/2015 04:13 pm...I'm thinking about that ring laser thing (from the optical diametric drive research) again where the wave form is formed in such a way that there are always transient negative energy regions in the waveform. ...What ring laser thing possessing " always transient negative energy regions in the waveform" are you referring to?Link please http://phys.org/news/2013-10-optical-diametric.htmlhttp://www.creol.ucf.edu/Research/Publications/7155.pdfhttp://www.nature.com/nphys/journal/v9/n12/full/nphys2777.html?WT.ec_id=NPHYS-201312"Always transient" refers to the way squeezed light makes negative energy. It's always for a tiny fraction of the over all cycle and the positive side always dwarfs it. But in a circular track... there should be a tiny bit present at all times and in all parts of the track. Or maybe not as tiny as it would be in a finite length course and there are two circular stacked circular tracks in those articles. Maybe the two fields can constructively reinforce the negative components or destructively interfere with the positive portion selectively. i don't know much about the physics. I'm just "using the force."EDIT: So here is a question I have about squeezed light. what would happen if a portion of the circular track was made to slow light down? I have read about certain research slowing light down under the SOL in a vacuum. You have two rings... one of the trackways could have unimpeded squeezed light and the other had at least a portion with a go slow zone. Could the tracks be juxtaposed in such a way that the negative regions of the waveform were close enough to sum together? And could there be a tidal pile up of negative energy caused by the go slow zone?
Quote from: Stormbringer on 04/24/2015 04:13 pm...I'm thinking about that ring laser thing (from the optical diametric drive research) again where the wave form is formed in such a way that there are always transient negative energy regions in the waveform. ...What ring laser thing possessing " always transient negative energy regions in the waveform" are you referring to?Link please
...I'm thinking about that ring laser thing (from the optical diametric drive research) again where the wave form is formed in such a way that there are always transient negative energy regions in the waveform. ...
Speaking of establishing phenomena - does anyone have a good reference on how using an oscillating EM field is supposed to induce spacetime contractions?I've been doing a little background reading, specifically:http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110015936.pdfhttp://www.earthtech.org/publications/davis_STAIF_conference_2.pdfhttp://members.shaw.ca/mike.anderton/WarpDrive.pdfhttp://link.springer.com/article/10.1023%2FA%3A1026299010288http://www.gravityresearchfoundation.org/pdf/awarded/2004/loup_santos.pdfI saw this plot : Is it just to push the peak past the 1/f noise?
What is the latest news on the EM drive. I have looked on Google. I have just read on another website that NASA may have accidentally created a warp field? Is this true.
....Personally, I'm awaiting an unequivocal "Chicago Pile" moment, instead of near misses and uncertain results.
...., in the unlikely scenario that it is we will have to wait at least 6 months for any supporting evidence, and this is gaining traction with SciFi hopefuls because it is being discussed by authoritative figures (NASA employees on this forum).
Quote from: JasonAW3 on 04/24/2015 03:28 pm....Personally, I'm awaiting an unequivocal "Chicago Pile" moment, instead of near misses and uncertain results.Quote from: UneducatedNitwit on 04/24/2015 09:32 pm...., in the unlikely scenario that it is we will have to wait at least 6 months for any supporting evidence, and this is gaining traction with SciFi hopefuls because it is being discussed by authoritative figures (NASA employees on this forum).long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know
Quote from: Star One on 04/24/2015 10:08 pmQuote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:02 pm...long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know Bit late in the day for people to be putting forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along now.?Who put "forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along " ??
Quote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:02 pm...long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know Bit late in the day for people to be putting forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along now.
...long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know
Quote from: Star One on 04/24/2015 10:18 pmQuote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:11 pmQuote from: Star One on 04/24/2015 10:08 pmQuote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:02 pm...long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know Bit late in the day for people to be putting forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along now.?Who put "forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along " ??I meant it's a bit late in the day to be attempting to cool expectations as regards warp drives even if unfounded in reality as mention of such has already attracted the attention of the wider realm.Read again. Who said "unfounded in reality " ?
Quote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:11 pmQuote from: Star One on 04/24/2015 10:08 pmQuote from: Rodal on 04/24/2015 10:02 pm...long-term R&D work is like an out-of-the-money call option: the probability of success is small and conversely, the payoff is huge.Regarding timing, it also works like an out-of-the-money call option: by the time you'll hear "an unequivocal yes, it is a success" you will be among the last to know. This applies to R&D on biotech drugs, R&D on Defense projects, R&D on high-tech, etc.So resign yourself to the truth: nobody will-ring a bell letting you know about the "pile moment" (certainly this was not done in WWII for the Chicago pile, we didn't announce to the enemy that we had launched onto the first steps leading to the A-Bomb). The likelihood of any particular long-term R&D project having a practical payoff is small, if there is a payoff it will be huge, and you will be the last to know Bit late in the day for people to be putting forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along now.?Who put "forward the line that there is nothing to see here please move along " ??I meant it's a bit late in the day to be attempting to cool expectations as regards warp drives even if unfounded in reality as mention of such has already attracted the attention of the wider realm.
There is nothing wrong with regular people getting excited by this.
NASA developed a war-drive accidentally ?
Quote from: aceshigh on 04/25/2015 12:59 amQuote from: Rodal on 04/25/2015 12:53 amNASA developed a war-drive accidentally ? was that an intended pun because of the possibility of destroying a small civilization just by turning off the warp field while pointing the ship at the planet? The article states:QuoteAnother surprise is that the discovery was accidental, as this comment attests."Seems to have been an accidental connection. They were wondering where this “thrust” might be coming from. One scientists proposed that maybe it’s a warp of the spacetime foam, which is causing the thrust."
Quote from: Rodal on 04/25/2015 12:53 amNASA developed a war-drive accidentally ? was that an intended pun because of the possibility of destroying a small civilization just by turning off the warp field while pointing the ship at the planet?
Another surprise is that the discovery was accidental, as this comment attests."Seems to have been an accidental connection. They were wondering where this “thrust” might be coming from. One scientists proposed that maybe it’s a warp of the spacetime foam, which is causing the thrust."
Quote from: Stormbringer on 04/25/2015 12:30 amThere is nothing wrong with regular people getting excited by this. as opposed to what? Are we all NASA engineers or PHDs? In fact, non PhDs, get off!
Quote from: aceshigh on 04/25/2015 12:57 amQuote from: Stormbringer on 04/25/2015 12:30 amThere is nothing wrong with regular people getting excited by this. as opposed to what? Are we all NASA engineers or PHDs? In fact, non PhDs, get off! As an uneducated nitwit who studies math and physics for sport, I am deeply frustrated by the idea that people without specialized training should be excited by anything which isn't in a textbook.