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Title: Zhongzi Group 01 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/11/2019 12:23 pm
So earlier today a NOTAM appeared that shows a strange "drop zone" that points towards Taiyuan for a possible launch tomorrow:

A5702/19 - A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N341301E1212223-N334214E1221547-N332429E1220101-N335508E1210744 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. ALL ACFT SHALL BE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE RESTRICTED AREA. GND - UNL, 12 NOV 06:23 2019 UNTIL 12 NOV 07:15 2019. CREATED: 11 NOV 07:14 2019

https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1193797379922780160 (https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1193797379922780160)

I have never seen any satellite launch out of Taiyuan going to such a low inclination orbit, but the drop zone does point to there....

Originally most people are guessing that this is Long March 6 s/n Y4, which the AALPT (responsible for the YF-100 and YF-115 engines) team had their pre-launch work meeting on October 14. However some latest news point to a Long March 2D launch instead (one says it's s/n Y51). That would be very puzzling with the GF-7 launch being just 8 days ago.....unless they pull the old LC-7 pad out for its first satellite launch in more than a decade, or somehow compress the pad flow by half.  :-X

Alas no identifiable payload are known for either of them, or in fact any Chinese spacecraft going to a 40-ish degree inclination orbit. It could even theoretically be a missile but I very much doubt it at this stage.

Question marks, question marks.....  ::)
Title: Re: ? - CZ-2D? (or CZ-6?) - TSLC - November 12, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 11/11/2019 02:01 pm
Delayed to the 13th.
Title: Re: ? - CZ-2D? (or CZ-6?) - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: input~2 on 11/12/2019 09:28 am

T0 around 06:30 UTC

A5709/19 -  A TEMPORARY RESTRICTED AREA ESTABLISHED BOUNDED BY: N341301E1212223-N334214E1221547-N332429E1220101-N335508E1210744 BACK TO START.VERTICAL LIMITS:GND-UNL. ALL ACFT SHALL BE FORBIDDEN TO FLY INTO THE RESTRICTED AREA. GND - UNL, 13 NOV 06:23 2019 UNTIL 13 NOV 07:15 2019. CREATED: 11 NOV 14:14 2019
Title: Re: ? - CZ-2D? (or CZ-6?) - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/12/2019 01:09 pm
According to latest reports the Long March 6 theory seems more likely, with "Ningxia 1" being one of the satellites onboard and a classified payload as the main one.
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 04:30 am
SFF page (has launch at 6:29 UTC).

http://www.spaceflightfans.cn/event/china-long-march-6-rocket-launch-ningxia-1-satellite?instance_id=2893

9ifly thread (has launch at ~6:25 UTC).

http://www.9ifly.cn/thread-92653-5-1.html

Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 04:35 am
This post indicates there are six Ningxia-1 satellites.

"It is said to be six Ningxia-1 satellites, is it a basket of potatoes?"

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691791
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 05:30 am
Launch should be happening about now.
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 05:53 am
Unconfirmed report of launch.

"Someone said they went up."

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691852
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 06:07 am
Apparently launch success!

"The microblog has already said the launch was a success."

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691861
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 06:12 am
Seems like mission is still on-going and confirmation won't come until around 08:30 UTC. (http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691868&fromuid=19646)
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 06:15 am
Looks like launch was at 6:29 UTC.

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691862
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 06:17 am
Five satellites are reported to have been launched.

"Space insights
3 minutes ago from Android
The Long March 6 rocket has successfully launched five satellites from Ningxia One, and it is estimated that the big red screen, which declared the mission a complete success, will have to wait until about 4:30 p.m."

http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691868
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 06:35 am
Launch video.

https://m.weibo.cn/s/video/index?object_id=1042151%3A4438188156996839&segment_id=4438188156996839
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 06:58 am
Launch photo.

"Takeoff Picture: At about 14:29 on November 13, 2019, the Long March 6 carrier rocket successfully launched five satellites, including Ningxia 1, less than 3 hours from the interval between China's last space launch!"

https://www.weibo.com/3279752321/Ig1zuudwD?type=comment#_rnd1573631860534
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 07:21 am
Seems like launch success has been declared, but the source only wrote about the 5 satellites of Ningxia-1 (mentioned as commercial EO satellites), without the rumored "classified payload", and it also forgot to add the T-0 previously reported as "around" 06:29 UTC).

More clarification is needed at this time.
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 07:32 am
Another source gave a 06:35 UTC T-0 and also only mentions Ningxia-1....
Title: Re: CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 07:38 am
Another source gave a 06:35 UTC T-0 and also only mentions Ningxia-1....

CASC agrees with this version so use this as official launch success confirmation. (https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/a5n14m1j-tH0tufDabEByg)
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (~06:30 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/13/2019 07:39 am
Launch success! Launch was at 6:35 UTC.

"On November 13th, at 14:35, the Long March 6 carrier rocket carried out a five-star launch at the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center, accurately putting five Ningxia-1 satellites (also known as the Zhongzi satellite) into orbit, and the launch was a complete success.
...
This mission is the first low-angle launch of the Long March 6 carrier rocket, in response to the mission needs, the rocket has made a series of technical upgrades, including take-off roll, horizontal guidance, new composite material double-walled mount barrel and so on. In the future, the Long March 6 carrier rocket will usher in a busy international and domestic commercial order performance period."

https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s/a5n14m1j-tH0tufDabEByg
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: whiztech on 11/13/2019 08:31 am
Xinhua English

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/13/c_138552029.htm

Quote
TAIYUAN, Nov. 13 (Xinhua) -- Five new remote-sensing satellites were sent into planned orbit from the Taiyuan Satellite Launch Center in north China's Shanxi Province Wednesday.

The five Ningxia-1 satellites were launched by a Long March-6 carrier rocket at 2:35 p.m. (Beijing Time).

The satellites are part of a commercial satellite project invested by the Ningxia Jingui Information Technology Co., Ltd. and will be mainly used for remote sensing detection.

The satellites and carrier rocket were developed by the DFH Satellite Co., Ltd. and the Shanghai Academy of Spaceflight Technology.

Wednesday's launch was the 318th mission for the Long March series carrier rockets.
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 11/13/2019 09:38 am
Launch patch.
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 10:03 am
https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1194547677926694912
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: tehwkd on 11/13/2019 11:22 am
0635:14 UTC looks to be the exact T-0

https://twitter.com/LaunchStuff/status/1194590766426918912
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 12:01 pm
Something's fishy about these 5 satellites.....

So apparently someone dug out an older reference on Ningxia-1 (http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691953&fromuid=19646) - and there it was called the world's first commercial operated global EM spectrum signal monitoring satellite system.

Well, looking at the parts of the satellites shown in the video in the comment above...they doesn't seems to look like your usual EO satellite to me.  ::)
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Chris Bergin on 11/13/2019 12:02 pm
Rui's article:

https://www.nasaspaceflight.com/2019/11/long-march-6-lofts-five-ningxia-1-satellites/
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: tehwkd on 11/13/2019 12:12 pm
Something's fishy about these 5 satellites.....

So apparently someone dug out an older reference on Ningxia-1 (http://www.9ifly.cn/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=92653&pid=691953&fromuid=19646) - and there it was called the world's first commercial operated global EM spectrum signal monitoring satellite system.

Well, looking at the parts of the satellites shown in the video in the comment above...they doesn't seems to look like your usual EO satellite to me.  ::)

Many copies of that story have been deleted from various news and governmental websites but few are still up (as of yesterday)

https://read01.com/KBz06Rd.html
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/13/2019 02:09 pm
Help needed from antennae gurus: What kind of antenna is this?
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Satori on 11/13/2019 04:21 pm
From Xinhua,

China sends five satellites into orbit via single rocket (http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-11/13/c_138552029.htm).
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Steven Pietrobon on 11/14/2019 03:50 am
Help needed from antennae gurus: What kind of antenna is this?

The large circular white hat box might be a microwave radiometer, but I haven't seen that configuration before.

https://earth.esa.int/web/eoportal/satellite-missions/i/insat-3d
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: zubenelgenubi on 11/14/2019 05:20 pm
Congratulations for a "two-fer" Chinese orbital launch day (November 13 UTC):
Jilin-1 Gaofen-02A,
this launch.
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Galactic Penguin SST on 11/14/2019 11:57 pm
Two photos showing the CZ-6 making a roll program above the pad:
Title: Re: Ningxia-1 (x5) - CZ-6 - TSLC - November 13, 2019 (06:35 UTC)
Post by: Liss on 01/28/2020 10:07 am
On Jan 7 and 10, the five spacecraft finished their maneuvers with phasing 72 apart in their orbital plane.