Author Topic: Soyuz-2-1b - Cosmos-2524 (Lotos S1) - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017  (Read 32140 times)

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According to a post from Nicolas Pillet on the schedule thread, there will be a Soyuz-2 launch from Plesetsk on 25th October 2017.

No more information at this time.
« Last Edit: 12/21/2017 05:29 pm by gongora »

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #1 on: 09/27/2017 06:06 pm »
One option would be the Pion NKS satellite.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/liana.html
(at the end of the article)

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/pion-nks.htm
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #2 on: 09/27/2017 09:28 pm »
One option would be the Pion NKS satellite.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/liana.html
(at the end of the article)

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/pion-nks.htm

According to posts by a KB Arsenal insider on the NK forum, Pion NKS is unlikely to fly any time soon. The bus is apparently ready, but the spacecraft has been waiting for its SIGINT payload for four years. The payload is to be delivered by TsNIRTI, which has developed all SIGINT payloads since the 1960s.

Meanwhile, the Ministry of Defense has signed a contract with Arsenal to build a modified version of Lotos-S called Lotos-M. According to the same insider this will basically be a Lotos-S without Western-built electronic components (because of the sanctions). However, Lotos-M so far only exists on paper, so it can't be the payload for the October launch either. I've also seen no indications that a third Lotos-S is being prepared for launch.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #3 on: 09/28/2017 04:49 pm »
One option would be the Pion NKS satellite.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/liana.html
(at the end of the article)

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/pion-nks.htm


In order to avoid misunderstanding and to not reproduce what happened with Cosmos-2519, I want to underline that I have absolutely no information about which payload it will be, and which type of launcher it will be (A, B or V).

I think that the only thing we can be sure, is that it is not a GLONASS, because ISS didn't made an announcement about any satellite delivery to Plesetsk.
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #4 on: 10/21/2017 09:01 am »
One option would be the Pion NKS satellite.

http://www.russianspaceweb.com/liana.html
(at the end of the article)

http://space.skyrocket.de/doc_sdat/pion-nks.htm


In order to avoid misunderstanding and to not reproduce what happened with Cosmos-2519, I want to underline that I have absolutely no information about which payload it will be, and which type of launcher it will be (A, B or V).

I think that the only thing we can be sure, is that it is not a GLONASS, because ISS didn't made an announcement about any satellite delivery to Plesetsk.

Do we at least know by now what version of the Soyuz-2.1 will be used?  ;)
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #5 on: 10/21/2017 02:46 pm »

Do we at least know by now what version of the Soyuz-2.1 will be used?  ;)
I would not be surprised if it is a Soyuz 2.1b. Many were ordered.
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #6 on: 10/25/2017 07:23 pm »
Launch delayed indefinitely.

Any indications why?
"problems with the payload"
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Nov. 18 or later: A Soyuz-2 rocket to launch a classified satellite from Plesetsk. The mission was previously planned for Oct. 25, 2017, but had to be postponed until beginning of November and until November 18, at the earliest, due to problems with the payload. On Oct. 25, space officials were expected to hold a meeting in Moscow on the status of the mission.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #7 on: 11/03/2017 01:42 pm »
see reply # 1
It seems to be this satellite (Liana/Lotos or "Lotos FO")
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #8 on: 11/03/2017 03:02 pm »
see reply # 1
It seems to be this satellite (Liana/Lotos or "Lotos FO")
http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2017.html#milsat
This report is about a Soyuz-2.1B not 2.1V

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #9 on: 11/03/2017 08:00 pm »
Suggestion for the mods: May I suggest a thread split? (Thread 43835)

A separate thread, using the pertinent posts from the current thread, or maybe just re-titling this thread, for the Soyuz-2-1B launch of the 2nd Lotos (14F145) satellite, now scheduled for December 1, Plesetsk.

I searched briefly for a pre-existing "next Lotos" thread and did not find one.

A separate thread, using any pertinent posts from the current thread, for the Soyuz-2-1v launch of an unknown military payload, EOY 2017 or BOY 2018, Plesetsk.

EDIT: reported to moderators
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #10 on: 11/04/2017 08:29 am »
Wasn't Cosmos 2502 the first 14F145/Lotos satellite?   It was preceeded by Cosmos 2455 which was 14F138/Lotos-S.
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 1, 2017
« Reply #11 on: 11/21/2017 09:08 pm »
'Kosmos' 14F145 Lotus – December 2 – 10:30-11:30 UTC
http://tass.ru/kosmos/4745963

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According to NK, this one will launch from pad 43/3 - which will be its first since the infamous Foton-M1 disaster in 2002!

Will 43/4 be closed for repairs then?
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According to NK, this one will launch from pad 43/3 - which will be its first since the infamous Foton-M1 disaster in 2002!

Will 43/4 be closed for repairs then?

Or to prepare it for the Soyuz-2-1v launch in December.

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According to NK, this one will launch from pad 43/3 - which will be its first since the infamous Foton-M1 disaster in 2002!

Will 43/4 be closed for repairs then?

May be unrelated to the status of 43/4. I read somewhere a couple years ago that 43/3 was being returned to service and upgraded for Soyuz-2, and that 16/2 was going to be upgraded for the Soyuz-2-1v.

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Any news about delays for this mission after the Meteor-M 2-1 failure? For now it appears preparations keep going and, if Blok-I is able to be exonerated soon, there should be no delay... but maybe I'm overlooking more up-to-date sources?
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Any news about delays for this mission after the Meteor-M 2-1 failure? For now it appears preparations keep going and, if Blok-I is able to be exonerated soon, there should be no delay... but maybe I'm overlooking more up-to-date sources?

http://russianspaceweb.com/2017.html#milsat
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In the hours immediately following the botched launch of the previous Soyuz-2-1b rocket from Vostochny on November 28, preparations for the next mission continued in Plesetsk as scheduled. Because the upcoming mission carried a low-orbiting satellite without the Fregat upper stage, the fresh Soyuz-2-1b launch could probably proceed as long as space officials could isolate the problem to the Fregat. According to the latest schedule, on November 29, military personnel in Plesetsk was ready to integrate the upper composite, including the 14F145 satellite and the third stage, with an already assembled first and second stages of the launch vehicle.

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According to NK, this one will launch from pad 43/3 - which will be its first since the infamous Foton-M1 disaster in 2002!

Will 43/4 be closed for repairs then?

May be unrelated to the status of 43/4. I read somewhere a couple years ago that 43/3 was being returned to service and upgraded for Soyuz-2, and that 16/2 was going to be upgraded for the Soyuz-2-1v.

That would probably be from this NSF thread which hasn't been updated since 2016:
Fresh photos of 43/3 modernization.
« Last Edit: 11/29/2017 02:44 pm by russianhalo117 »

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Any news about delays for this mission after the Meteor-M 2-1 failure? For now it appears preparations keep going and, if Blok-I is able to be exonerated soon, there should be no delay... but maybe I'm overlooking more up-to-date sources?

http://russianspaceweb.com/2017.html#milsat
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In the hours immediately following the botched launch of the previous Soyuz-2-1b rocket from Vostochny on November 28, preparations for the next mission continued in Plesetsk as scheduled. Because the upcoming mission carried a low-orbiting satellite without the Fregat upper stage, the fresh Soyuz-2-1b launch could probably proceed as long as space officials could isolate the problem to the Fregat. According to the latest schedule, on November 29, military personnel in Plesetsk was ready to integrate the upper composite, including the 14F145 satellite and the third stage, with an already assembled first and second stages of the launch vehicle.

Yep, that's what I read. I was referring to news from today, maybe from Russian sources that I'm not familiar with. I assume if there's chances of problems with Block I they wouldn't mate it to the R7.
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Any news about delays for this mission after the Meteor-M 2-1 failure? For now it appears preparations keep going and, if Blok-I is able to be exonerated soon, there should be no delay... but maybe I'm overlooking more up-to-date sources?

http://russianspaceweb.com/2017.html#milsat
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In the hours immediately following the botched launch of the previous Soyuz-2-1b rocket from Vostochny on November 28, preparations for the next mission continued in Plesetsk as scheduled. Because the upcoming mission carried a low-orbiting satellite without the Fregat upper stage, the fresh Soyuz-2-1b launch could probably proceed as long as space officials could isolate the problem to the Fregat. According to the latest schedule, on November 29, military personnel in Plesetsk was ready to integrate the upper composite, including the 14F145 satellite and the third stage, with an already assembled first and second stages of the launch vehicle.

Yep, that's what I read. I was referring to news from today, maybe from Russian sources that I'm not familiar with. I assume if there's chances of problems with Block I they wouldn't mate it to the R7.
They are trying to rule out the following part of the fault tree from the previous launch (separation system issue between Blok-I and Fregat-M resulting in an off-nominal separation as it is still an active theory). The State Commission is prepared to approve a rollout and sit vertical on the pad for a few days even if they cannot provide a confirmed launch date at this time.

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Was still on yesterday morning:

G8131/17 -  ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: B153 ROGIS - NAKIR B826 LESHUKONSKOE VORDME (LKN) - NALIV A929 BILMI - GIGES B946 BILMI - NAREK G59  ARLEN - BILMI. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1030-1130, 02 DEC 10:30 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 11:30 2017. CREATED: 28 NOV 07:22 2017

E6648/17 -  ATS RTE SEGMENTS CLSD: G497 RODKA - GUDIR G498 RATER - GUDIR R706 REFRI - BEMOS. SFC - UNL, DAILY 1030-1130, 02 DEC 10:30 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 11:30 2017. CREATED: 28 NOV 07:15 2017


Graphics here

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Was the launcher transported to the launchpad today?

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Was the launcher transported to the launchpad today?
Military payload.Who knows, may not say anything. :(
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Was the launcher transported to the launchpad today?
Military payload.Who knows, may not say anything. :(

Well, if launch is to take place on December 2, the launcher should be at the launch pad by now.

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No Fregat is used. No reason for a delay.
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Was the launcher transported to the launchpad today?
There is a lot evidence per my Facebook Messenger conversation with Anatoly Zak but did not elaborate.
« Last Edit: 11/30/2017 05:19 pm by russianhalo117 »

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It looks like they will proceed as planned.
https://www.roscosmos.ru/24410/
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Аварийная комиссия приняла решение о разрешении пусков РН типа «Союз-2» согласно ранее утвержденному графику.
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The emergency commission made a decision to permit launch of the Soyuz-2 launch vehicle in accordance with the previously approved schedule.

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I have confirmation that launch will happen tomorrow at 09h43'26" GMT.
« Last Edit: 12/01/2017 07:30 pm by Nicolas PILLET »
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I have confirmation that launch will happen tomorrow at 09h43'26" GMT.
Strange that both NOTAMs with a window from Dec 2, 1030 UTC have not been updated

NK says lift-off at 10:30:14.30 UTC
« Last Edit: 12/01/2017 08:58 pm by input~2 »

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #29 on: 12/01/2017 09:34 pm »
NK says lift-off at 10:30 - 11.30 UTC
« Last Edit: 12/01/2017 09:34 pm by SMS »
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #30 on: 12/01/2017 10:50 pm »
Hmmm... Maybe I have made mistake in converting time zones... It may be 10h43'26" GMT.

I also have confirmation that launch will be made from launch pad n°4, not n°3.
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #31 on: 12/01/2017 11:29 pm »
Hmmm... Maybe I have made mistake in converting time zones... It may be 10h43'26" GMT.

I also have confirmation that launch will be made from launch pad n°4, not n°3.

My understanding was that the only pad at LC43 in Plesetsk that had been converted to support Soyuz 2 is pad 4.

Further, my understanding is that there is no plan to upgrade any other R7 pads at Plesetsk to support Soyuz 2.
The R7 pads at the other 3 space launch sites have been converted to support Soyuz 2.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #32 on: 12/02/2017 12:34 am »
Hmmm... Maybe I have made mistake in converting time zones... It may be 10h43'26" GMT.

I also have confirmation that launch will be made from launch pad n°4, not n°3.

My understanding was that the only pad at LC43 in Plesetsk that had been converted to support Soyuz 2 is pad 4.

Further, my understanding is that there is no plan to upgrade any other R7 pads at Plesetsk to support Soyuz 2.
The R7 pads at the other 3 space launch sites have been converted to support Soyuz 2.

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False:
Review this post and some previous posts of 43/3 modernization. Also 16/2 is in active modernization to fly solely Soyuz-2.1v. The modernization work has slowed a bit given the financial issues of the government of late which is also why 1/5 modernization is also delayed.

Fresh photos of 43/3 modernization.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #34 on: 12/02/2017 02:39 am »
Hmmm... Maybe I have made mistake in converting time zones... It may be 10h43'26" GMT.

I also have confirmation that launch will be made from launch pad n°4, not n°3.

My understanding was that the only pad at LC43 in Plesetsk that had been converted to support Soyuz 2 is pad 4.

Further, my understanding is that there is no plan to upgrade any other R7 pads at Plesetsk to support Soyuz 2.
The R7 pads at the other 3 space launch sites have been converted to support Soyuz 2.

Carl

False:
Review this post and some previous posts of 43/3 modernization. Also 16/2 is in active modernization to fly solely Soyuz-2.1v. The modernization work has slowed a bit given the financial issues of the government of late which is also why 1/5 modernization is also delayed.

Fresh photos of 43/3 modernization.

Thanks for the correction and clarification.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #35 on: 12/02/2017 06:35 am »
Additional NOTAMs:
E6662/17 -  DOM ATS RTE CLSD: W53  TEKRI-REFRI FL060-FL510, W255 GUDIR-BIMSA FL060-FL400, W255 BIMSA-UNOKI FL060-FL400, W257 ALANO-BIMSA FL060-FL400, W257 BIMSA-NANUL FL060-FL400, W260 BIMSA-REFRI FL060-FL400. FL060 - FL510, DAILY 1030-1130, 02 DEC 10:30 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 11:30 2017. CREATED: 29 NOV 03:38 2017

G8147/17 -  DOMESTIC AWY W43 SEGMENT BILMI-PERAG CLSD. FL060 - FL510, DAILY 1030-1130, 02 DEC 10:30 2017 UNTIL 03 DEC 11:30 2017. CREATED: 28 NOV 15:55 2017
« Last Edit: 12/02/2017 09:12 am by input~2 »

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #36 on: 12/02/2017 06:36 am »
https://twitter.com/RussianSpaceWeb/status/936746274581372929
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Russian military to launch #Soyuz rocket with the #Lotos-S1 No. 803 electronic intelligence satellite tomorrow at 13:43:22 Moscow Time (5:43 a.m. Eastern US time). Mission profile, ground tack and future updates -> http://www.russianspaceweb.com/lotos-s1-803.html


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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #37 on: 12/02/2017 08:58 am »
No live for this launch ??
Thks

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #38 on: 12/02/2017 09:00 am »
No live for this launch ??
Thks

No live launch because is a military payload.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #39 on: 12/02/2017 09:09 am »
ok, thanks Satori.


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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #41 on: 12/02/2017 09:47 am »
The exact launch time – 10.43.26.331 UTC

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #42 on: 12/02/2017 09:50 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #43 on: 12/02/2017 09:50 am »
Confirmation from the Russian media - http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=468166

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #45 on: 12/02/2017 09:58 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?
AFAIU:
Cosmos 2455 = Lotos S#1 (serial number 801)
Cosmos 2503 =Lotos S#2 (serial number 802)
This one: Cosmos TBD = Lotos S1#1 (serial number 803)

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #46 on: 12/02/2017 10:02 am »
The satellite successfully separated from the Soyuz-2-1b  - http://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=468169

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #48 on: 12/02/2017 10:08 am »
The Soyuz-2.1b launch vehicle successfully brought into orbit the satellite of the Ministry of Defense
https://ria.ru/space/20171202/1510077689.html

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #49 on: 12/02/2017 10:13 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?

It appears, that Cosmos 2455  and Cosmos 2502 were both Lotos-S and the operational version is Lotos-S1 (what was earlier called just Lotos). But the final solid confirmation is still out.  Nevertheless, i have changed my lists now.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #50 on: 12/02/2017 10:20 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?

It appears, that Cosmos 2455  and Cosmos 2502 were both Lotos-S and the operational version is Lotos-S1 (what was earlier called just Lotos). But the final solid confirmation is still out.  Nevertheless, i have changed my lists now.

14Ф145 № 802?
http://13aas.arbitr.ru/cases/cdoc?docnd=784547176
http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/ttll9Du8Dh6m/

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #51 on: 12/02/2017 10:28 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?

It appears, that Cosmos 2455  and Cosmos 2502 were both Lotos-S and the operational version is Lotos-S1 (what was earlier called just Lotos). But the final solid confirmation is still out.  Nevertheless, i have changed my lists now.

14Ф145 № 802?
http://13aas.arbitr.ru/cases/cdoc?docnd=784547176
http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/ttll9Du8Dh6m/

C 2455 = 14F138 #801
C 2502 = 14F138 #802
Therefore
C 2523 = 14F145 #803 I believe now.
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #52 on: 12/02/2017 10:39 am »
Prelaunch video:
« Last Edit: 12/02/2017 10:51 am by Salo »

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #53 on: 12/02/2017 10:47 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?

It appears, that Cosmos 2455  and Cosmos 2502 were both Lotos-S and the operational version is Lotos-S1 (what was earlier called just Lotos). But the final solid confirmation is still out.  Nevertheless, i have changed my lists now.

14Ф145 № 802?
http://13aas.arbitr.ru/cases/cdoc?docnd=784547176
http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/ttll9Du8Dh6m/

C 2455 = 14F138 #801
C 2502 = 14F138 #802
Therefore
C 2523 = 14F145 #803 I believe now.

All documents point to 14Ф145 № 802?
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Участие в подготовке к запуску РН 14А14-1б № 78031199 под КА 14Ф145 № 802 в части КИАСУ
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #54 on: 12/02/2017 10:55 am »
Prelaunch video:


Rocket with fairing type 14С741, tail number №77069203

Factory serial number is 38М136С; one of at least eight rockets from contract №ЕП/1/03/З/2004/2013. Others include 35М136С (tail number №77069200), 41М136С (tail number №77069206), and I think 14М137С, 15М137С, 16М137С and 17М137С.

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #55 on: 12/02/2017 11:20 am »
I have Cosmos 2455 as being Lotos-S and Cosmos 2502 as being simply Lotos: so is Lotos-S1 the correct designator for the operational satellites, please?

It appears, that Cosmos 2455  and Cosmos 2502 were both Lotos-S and the operational version is Lotos-S1 (what was earlier called just Lotos). But the final solid confirmation is still out.  Nevertheless, i have changed my lists now.

14Ф145 № 802?
http://13aas.arbitr.ru/cases/cdoc?docnd=784547176
http://sudact.ru/arbitral/doc/ttll9Du8Dh6m/

C 2455 = 14F138 #801
C 2502 = 14F138 #802
Therefore
C 2523 = 14F145 #803 I believe now.

All documents point to 14Ф145 № 802?
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #60 on: 12/02/2017 11:44 am »
New enigma :
Kosmos 2524

https://ria.ru/space/20171202/1510077689.html
Possibility: the subsatellite of Kosmos 2521 is Kosmos 2523?
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #61 on: 12/02/2017 11:45 am »
So Stan, would you agree with the following figures:

Cosmos-2455 = 14F138 SN801 = Lotos-S#1
Cosmos-2502 = 14F145 SN802 = Lotos-S#2
Cosmos-2524 = 14F145 SN803 = Lotos-S1#1

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #62 on: 12/02/2017 11:46 am »
New enigma :
Kosmos 2524
https://ria.ru/space/20171202/1510077689.html

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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #63 on: 12/02/2017 11:48 am »
So Stan, would you agree with the following figures:
Cosmos-2455 = 14F138 SN801 = Lotos-S#1
Cosmos-2502 = 14F145 SN802 = Lotos-S#2
Cosmos-2524 = 14F145 SN803 = Lotos-S1#1

Not from Stan but if Lotos-S #1 = 14F138, why is Lotos-S #2 14F145?   I thought that 14F145 was the operational series, Lotos-S1 (well, that's the latest name anyway!).
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #64 on: 12/02/2017 11:54 am »
New enigma :
Kosmos 2524
https://ria.ru/space/20171202/1510077689.html

20 years ago Igor Lissov quoted me as saying that the Russians were trying to confuse us to death with their different satellite naming systems.

They are still at it!!!!!
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #65 on: 12/02/2017 11:54 am »
A first object has been cataloged:
(epoch 12:24:51 UTC)

2017-076A/43032 in 239 x 900 km x 67.14°

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So Stan, would you agree with the following figures:
Cosmos-2455 = 14F138 SN801 = Lotos-S#1
Cosmos-2502 = 14F145 SN802 = Lotos-S#2
Cosmos-2524 = 14F145 SN803 = Lotos-S1#1

Not from Stan but if Lotos-S #1 = 14F138, why is Lotos-S #2 14F145?   I thought that 14F145 was the operational series, Lotos-S1 (well, that's the latest name anyway!).

The only references to №802 is as 14F145, or satellite ‘L-S’.

14F145 №803, №804 and №805 are from a new contract. So there could be improvements introduced. Contract number is №З/2/1/11-14-ДОГОЗ.
« Last Edit: 12/02/2017 12:15 pm by Stan Black »

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A first object has been cataloged:
(epoch 12:24:51 UTC)

2017-076A/43032 in 239 x 900 km x 67.14°
and now object B (presumably Soyuz 3rd stage):
2017-076B/43033 in 238 x 881 km x 67.14°

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1080p video - Soyuz 2.1b launches Kosmos-2524

A Soyuz 2.1b launch vehicle launched the Kosmos-2524 (Lotos-S1) military satellite from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, on 02 December 2017, at 10:43 UTC.

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So Stan, would you agree with the following figures:
Cosmos-2455 = 14F138 SN801 = Lotos-S#1
Cosmos-2502 = 14F145 SN802 = Lotos-S#2
Cosmos-2524 = 14F145 SN803 = Lotos-S1#1

Not from Stan but if Lotos-S #1 = 14F138, why is Lotos-S #2 14F145?   I thought that 14F145 was the operational series, Lotos-S1 (well, that's the latest name anyway!).

The only references to №802 is as 14F145, or satellite ‘L-S’.

14F145 №803, №804 and №805 are from a new contract. So there could be improvements introduced. Contract number is №З/2/1/11-14-ДОГОЗ.

Lotos-S #1 = 14F138 is a proto flight model used for on orbit testing, but will also used operationally until the rest of the constellation launches.
« Last Edit: 12/02/2017 03:36 pm by russianhalo117 »

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1080p video - Soyuz 2.1b launches Kosmos-2524
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A Soyuz 2.1b launch vehicle launched the Kosmos-2524 (Lotos-S1) military satellite from the Plesetsk Cosmodrome, on 02 December 2017, at 10:43 UTC.

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Kosmos 2524 reaches his operational orbit
67.1° 103.1min 900 909 km
« Last Edit: 12/05/2017 01:16 pm by Alter Sachse »
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Re: Soyuz-2-1b - Lotos S1 - Plesetsk - December 2, 2017
« Reply #75 on: 12/05/2017 05:30 pm »
So Stan, would you agree with the following figures:
Cosmos-2455 = 14F138 SN801 = Lotos-S#1
Cosmos-2502 = 14F145 SN802 = Lotos-S#2
Cosmos-2524 = 14F145 SN803 = Lotos-S1#1

Not from Stan but if Lotos-S #1 = 14F138, why is Lotos-S #2 14F145?   I thought that 14F145 was the operational series, Lotos-S1 (well, that's the latest name anyway!).
this article say:
20.11.2009 Lotos S
25.12.2014 Lotos S1
http://tass.ru/kosmos/4786248
900/909 km will be confirmed
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