NSF thread for Questions not addressed elsewhere in this Section

[Eer]

Hi -

The forum top banner includes a link "Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;start=0".

At the bottom of the listing page is a link "All Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;all;start=0"

The bottom of the page link does, indeed, show more topics.

What is the unspoken "not all" filter criteria?  Is is per-user recorded "topics you've read" or something else?

[catdlr]

Hi -

The forum top banner includes a link "Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;start=0".

At the bottom of the listing page is a link "All Unread Topics" with URL "...?action=unread;all;start=0"

The bottom of the page link does, indeed, show more topics.

What is the unspoken "not all" filter criteria?  Is is per-user recorded "topics you've read" or something else?

Ere,

I've always wonder about that myself.  But I do know that if I start reading topics during one visit to the site and then later return (or logoff and logon), the list is different.  Here is a message I get when this situation occurs and no topics are shown (when I know there are):

(condition: the unread topics page is empty)
"No unread topics found since your last visit. Click here to try all unread topics."

I also get that condition when I clear cache between visits.  So cookies may be involved.

Tony

[gongora]

Unread topics cuts off the list at some time point (I haven't quite figured out what it is, seems to vary based on what device I used to visit the site).  All Unread just continues the list past that cutoff.  The content shown is the same.

[catdlr]

Unread topics cuts off the list at some time point (I haven't quite figured out what it is, seems to vary based on what device I used to visit the site).  All Unread just continues the list past that cutoff.  The content shown is the same.

It's interesting to note that I have also encountered a similar issue at the detail topic level, where only a few entries are displayed. However, when I click on the "All Unread" button, a few more entries appear. This happens to me quite frequently. Sometimes, when I am aware that there are more topics to review and I leave the NSF (close the browser tab), upon my return a few hours later, those topics are missing. I then get a new set of posts that have occurred since that time, and I have to hit the "Read All" button to get those topics to reappear. To avoid missing posts, I keep the NSF tab open all day long, so I receive all the topics as they appear.

Many times I miss posts, and only when a topic gets a new post is when I can get back and find not only the new post but others above that I know I haven't yet read. This is frustrating, especially in the evening when I take some time to read a post, and there is nothing there and I know that the forum is more active than that.

[woods170]

For the first time in a long time I was scrolling thru the L2 Space Flight Historical section when I noticed something odd: 10 years worth of threads and posts in this section seem to be missing from the section listing.

See the screenshots below. Page 4 of the listing ends with a thread which had its last post in 2019. Page 5 starts with a thread which had its last post in 2009. A whopping 10 year gap!

When I took a closer look, I noticed that a lot of threads are missing from the L2 Space Flight Historical listing. One notable example is the one by EdKyle about the Extra Extended Long Tank Delta missions.

But, if one uses the Search function, that particular thread (and lots of others that are missing from the listing) can be found.
So, this seems to be an issue with the listing of the L2 Space Flight Historical section and not so much threads actually missing.

@ChrisB: what happened to the listing? Something went wrong when the L2 photos section was merged into the L2 historical section?

[gongora]

If the time stamps on the unread posts are cut off before the last time I looked at the forum, I just hit the All Unread button.  I think it tends to assume I've read the entire forum if I pull it up on my phone, but that doesn't usually happen on the desktop browser.

[litton4]

The default view seems to be just a couple of days, while the "All unread" does exactly what it says.
Sometimes I get 3 pages from the latter if I haven't viewed the section in a while.

[Hobbes-22]

Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

[Eer]

Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:

SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

[mn]

Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:

SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

[litton4]

Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:

SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

Yes there is, it's a hotlink in the text, rather then a button. "Click here to try all unread topics" or soemthing like that

[mn]

Unread topics is only the topics that have changed since the last time you loaded the Unread topics page. All unread topics is all of the topics you haven't seen the latest message in.

This looks to be pretty correct. Here is text from the Smart Machines Forum 2.0 online documentation:

SMF has several options for users to view unread posts. Unread posts are topics and replies that have not been viewed by the user. The most common way to view unread posts is through the links in the forum header near the top of a forum page.

    Show unread replies since last visit – Selecting this option displays a list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit. The user has the ability to select to view all unread topics, which will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit.

So, it appears that the "normal" Unread Topics provides the "list of the topics which have had new posts made in them since the user's last visit."  And the "All Unread" option at the bottom of the page "will display any topic with unread posts, regardless of their last visit".

Perhaps, mystery resolved.

It can't be as simple as that, if this were true we would get an empty 'unread topics' page on reload. (which does happen to me occasionally, no idea why. But by this definition it should happen every time).

And while we are on this subject. When looking at the unread messages page, there's a link to the 'all unread messages', but when there are no unread topics we just get a message that there are no unread topics, but no link to the 'all unread topics'.

Yes there is, it's a hotlink in the text, rather then a button. "Click here to try all unread topics" or soemthing like that

So I got that page again yesterday and I see that the extra text to read all unread only shows on the deskptop but not on the 'mobile friendly' version of the site. (I did not try the mobile theme, I am referring to the regular full theme which is sort of mobile friendly)

[JohnSuar]

Anyone notice the fake scammy spacex channels on youtube? Some of them even have the spacex channel name. I thought I was watching the real launch coverage for several minuets. Then it flashed a qr code to buy bit coins. It is important to be vigilant and careful, especially when it comes to financial transactions and personal information. I agree with you about Bitcoin - many scams are related to scamcurrencies. You can also click on the link and scammers will take over your online wallet - this is also dangerous. I know a trusted resource, everyone trustly recommends it, namely trustly casino, and I started studying it. For now I’m just reading about it and looking at reviews. What can I say - it is important to be aware and careful.

Bit coins are a pox on humanity.

Yes, you are correct even I saw that there are several YT channels that are fake using SpaceX's name and it was fake and he was doing scams to the people.

I have also come across similar fake channels on YouTube and it is really offensive. Unfortunately, in the online world there will always be those who seek to deceive and manipulate. This is inevitable, they make money from it.

[russianhalo117]

Here is the updated SMF development roadmap:

Announcing the start of SMF 3.0 development

[deltaV]

Which forum section does planetary defense belong in, i.e. asteroids and comets that may impact Earth and missions to predict or prevent such impacts? (Planetary defense shouldn't be confused with the similarly named topic of planetary protection, which is unrelated.) Planetary defense includes NASA's Planetary Defense Coordination Office (PDCO), missions such as NEO Surveyor, and asteroid 2024 YR4. The goal of planetary defense is protecting lives and assets, not acquiring knowledge, so planetary defense is engineering, not science. None of the sections seem to fit, so maybe "general discussion"? Should we create a dedicated Planetary Defense section?

I ask because there's a thread in the "Missions To The Near Earth Asteroids (HSF)" section on asteroid 2024 YR4 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=62382.0) which presumably belongs elsewhere since asteroid redirect missions are almost certainly going to be uncrewed.

[AndrewM]

Which forum section does planetary defense belong in, i.e. asteroids and comets that may impact Earth and missions to predict or prevent such impacts? (Planetary defense shouldn't be confused with the similarly named topic of planetary protection, which is unrelated.) Planetary defense includes NASA's Planetary Defense Coordination Office (PDCO), missions such as NEO Surveyor, and asteroid 2024 YR4. The goal of planetary defense is protecting lives and assets, not acquiring knowledge, so planetary defense is engineering, not science. None of the sections seem to fit, so maybe "general discussion"? Should we create a dedicated Planetary Defense section?

I ask because there's a thread in the "Missions To The Near Earth Asteroids (HSF)" section on asteroid 2024 YR4 (https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=62382.0) which presumably belongs elsewhere since asteroid redirect missions are almost certainly going to be uncrewed.

There is a NEO Surveyor thread in science: https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=49105.75.

I think the rest could go in general though at this time.

[deltaV]

The "L2 Small and Medium Launch" section of the forum includes ~4 threads about launchers that (in their most capable configuration) exceed the standard 20 tonne to LEO boundary between "medium" and "heavy" launch. (I'm not mentioning specifics to avoid leaking L2 info.) This inconsistent categorization is likely to confuse people. None of the other L2 sections seem appropriate for those threads so the right fix appears to be modifying the section description to make those threads on topic. For example rename "L2 Small and Medium Launch" to "L2 Other United States launch" or to "L2 Miscellaneous United States launch".

Also "L2 International Launch" should be renamed "L2 non-United States launch" since that section includes many threads about launchers that are by a single country and hence aren't really international.

[Oumuamua]

Is there any way to delete your forum account? I could not find it.

Nothing personal against anyone here, or the site itself.
It's just that I don't enjoy following spaceflight anymore because of the agenda the major players are pushing.

[catdlr]

Is there any way to delete your forum account? I could not find it.

Nothing personal against anyone here, or the site itself.
It's just that I don't enjoy following spaceflight anymore because of the agenda the major players are pushing.

If you delete your account, your previous posts will either disappear from the threads, or there will be broken posts.

[Chris Bergin]

Is there any way to delete your forum account? I could not find it.

Nothing personal against anyone here, or the site itself.
It's just that I don't enjoy following spaceflight anymore because of the agenda the major players are pushing.

Very old forum software in play. One thing I can do is rename your account to something totally away from what you had, change the e-mail to the same thing, and that renams all your posts (without breaking threads).

So like

User: 342431
e-mail [email protected] (or something).

That clears you and of course as far as future, you won't have access to that as it resets your password and you won't see what it resets to so it acts the same way.

Just PM me if that works.